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in reply to: Arrow Speed/Weight Set Up-Opinions #33222
colmike wrote: …20yds = 60 ft–a good ethical range.
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So the difference in 150fps or 175fps or even 200fps is what?…
60 ft / 150 fps = 0.4 sec
60 ft / 175 fps = 0.343 sec
The difference being 0.143 sec. A deer can lower it’s back at a rate much faster than simply falling do to gravity. But if it simply dropped by gravity that would mean it could lower it’s back at least: 0.5 * 32 fps^2 * 0.143 sec^2 = .327 ft or 3.9 inches. In my experience it could drop twice that, but this is a conservative number.
As we all know, most misses are over the back. When an arrow moving 150fps is just getting to the deer, the arrow moving 170 fps is already bloody and stuck in the ground behind the deer 😀
A faster bow is also more forgiving imo. For the given example of arrow speeds, the arrow will spend about 15% less time on the bow for the faster arrow. That’s 15% less time for me to screw up :oops:. Flatter trajectory also aids in good shots.
I’m just saying we shouldn’t give up on bow performance and arrow speed in our effort to maximize terminal arrow performance. I don’t care how deep the arrow will stick in the dirt, I just want it to get through the deer first.
My current bow is shooting a 10.4 gpp arrow 183 fps with my 29″ draw and 54# draw weight. It is an american semi-longbow. It will shoot a 650 grn arrow 176 fps.
in reply to: Bow Limb Paint – Need Advice #32123Hay Steve, good to see you back! As for paint, I have no good advice except to say that spray paints have gotten a lot better in the last ten years. You’ll probably get good results with whatever you try…
The color will probably be a bigger indicator of success. Paint it her favorite color, and you’ll be the best grandpa ever. My daughter is into Lime Green these days. Seems that’s a hip color among the young ladies. I’m just say’en find out what she likes, and paint it that color 8)
in reply to: Possibles bag #30978That Frost River Bag looks good. That’s the sort of thing I use for all my local hunting. I got my last one (2nd one since I started hunting as a kid) from the Sportsman’s warehouse. It was some checkoslovakian WWII surplus for $4.00.
I think I’ll get that Frost River bag if I need one in the future. Very Nice.
in reply to: What ya got goin? #30318Nice!
Been working on my “travel’en case” for my longbow/arrows. When it’s done I’ll post pictures somewhere or other. Getting ready to head out to CO again this fall for some “elk hunting”. It should probably just be called “That sorry sack couldn’t kill an elk if it fell on his arrow, what’s he thinking drinking all that whiskey and getting up late?” trip. 😀
in reply to: Tendonitis? #30311Try something like this:
It really helps. Wear it whenever you’re doing any work harder than paperwork…
in reply to: Historic Examples of D/R Longbows #29865As I recall (recollection is not my strong suit) the english longbow had not yet been developed at the time of the Norman Invasion. The bows in use at that time were shorter and weaker. Average weights being in the 50 lb range and used for hunting.
Bows had not yet become the tool of war that they would after Agencourt (I think that’s when the king added bows to the official english list of weapons for training). Thusly and therefore, the depiction of bows in this tapestry should be shorter.
I’ve been wanting to say “thusly and therefore” ever since I got up this morning 😀 🙄
in reply to: Historic Examples of D/R Longbows #29069Smithhammer wrote: From the Bayeaux tapestry:…
Are these stylized interpretations of bows in use then, or are they accurate depictions of the use of short D/R bows during the Norman conquest of Britain?
Hmmm. If their bows are as stylized as their shooting form, I’d say this isn’t an accurate representation of archery (my snooty nose is way up in the air). Reminds me of the old “navel salute” 😀
in reply to: What ya got goin? #27225Doc Nock wrote: … I just don’t buy into all that I once did…having a past dedication to science, but some of the stuff that has come out in my few decades here on Tera firma about climate, etc, etc… seems, at best, a bit speculative,— well grounded in scientific thought, but not on scientific DATA… too little time line in science to truly know other then to measure what is changing…and we don’t even have enough pre-post data on that to make Conclusive arguments…
You’re in good company…
How many millions of people died because South Africa denied the existence of aids and refused to treat it?
How many millions died from smoking because the government and corporations argued that there just wasn’t any conclusive evidence that smoking caused disease?
How many centuries passed between the time copernicus showed that the sun was the center of the solar system, and people stopped being executed for saying it?
We are all entitled to our opinions. But I respectfully suggest that when an opinion goes contrary to the overwhelming evidence for a thing, than it isn’t an opinion any more. It’s just denial.
I’m not trying to pick a fight, I’m just frustrated to see the lack of informed opinion that runs rampant in this country.
in reply to: What ya got goin? #27008Doc Nock wrote: …Earth and it’s normal cycles have been around a long, long time… man has had recorded history a tiny blip on the radar
Who’s to say if some of these “changes” are normal cycles of Mother Earth, or something man had help initiate with all the crud we pump into the atmosphere? Or Space litter 🙄 Or…???
El Nino and La Nina are normal cycles that have been around forever. They are exaggerated as the planet warms up though… And since the ecology of the planet is already stressed, the affects can be much worse. Kind of like if you have a compromised immune system, a cold, or toenail fungus can kill you.
Doc Nock wrote: My 88 yr old “2nd Mom” up in Central PA says, “When I want to know the weather, I don’t listen to them forecasters, who are usually wrong, I go outside and look!”
It’s a common mistake to confuse weather with climate. They are two different things. Weather is what is happening right now. It changes all the time and is less predictable. Climate is what happens over the long term. It is more steady and more predictable.
There was a really good TED talk a year or so ago about climate, what we know about it, and the current state of the art of climate modeling:
http://www.ted.com/talks/gavin_schmidt_the_emergent_patterns_of_climate_change
Well worth watching for those who want to understand…
in reply to: What ya got goin? #26999Enjoy!
We’ve been to Costa Rica once a couple years ago. Really enjoyed the mountains, the coast was a bit hot, and the cicada’s were going crazy. Couldn’t hear myself think.
Had a blast. Great food, people, and hiking. Kids loved it. Nobody got sick, whew!
sg
in reply to: What ya got goin? #26629I heard yesterday that el nino is finally on the rise, good for the west, not so good for us on the east side, rain wise…
in reply to: What ya got goin? #25509paleoman wrote: Nature called a #1 and whilst standing and minding my own biz…
Being the humorist that you are, I’d a figured you would have phrased it: “Nature called a #1 and whilst standing there minding my own wiz…”
Good looking pile of shrooms.
in reply to: Re-Thinking old Thoughts on Woodies #24488Duncan,
I think you and Dave are on to it.
What got me thinking about it was an article in this old book I have called Archery, The Technical Side. It was published back in the ’40’s and is a collection of articles by some pretty sharp PhD’s. I got the 11th of 500 copies, signed by the authors. It has a list of all the people who bought the book in the back. Pretty neat to read that list too. But back to the point…
The article was saying that the rotation of the arrow contributes nothing to its stability. Not enough mass or speed for that effect.
And that got me started thinking about my racketeering days of childhood. I built this rocket about 2 1/2 feet tall and I affixed the fins to it in an offset manner in order to induce rotation as the rocket went skyward.
My hope was that it would go straighter up into the sky than my previous attempts. Lets just say that I discovered that hypothesis was completely false as I ran away with my hands protecting the back of my head from impact with that out of control dynamo 😳
I went back to straight fins on my rockets 🙄
in reply to: What ya got goin? #24472Now I know why they call him pop-eye 🙄
in reply to: Re-Thinking old Thoughts on Woodies #22743So in my effort to make fletching last longer and arrows go faster, I ordered a straight clamp for my b.burger fletching jig. I also ordered another indexer.
Why you ask? According to the B.burger website, the helical jig for traditional shooting should come with a “straight” indexer. Whereas jigs for compound shooters come with the “Left” indexer. My jig, which I bought from 3Rivers came with the “left” indexer. Hmmm… You’d think 3Rviers would be getting the right stuff. That’s another email.
Anyway, took the indexer out, and while I had it out I drilled out the opening that the nock goes into so that the larger nocks of wooden arrows would fit down into it. Worked out.
Lesson learned – Put the jig in a tray to remove the indexer as the detent balls / springs come flying on out like chickens out of the chicken coop 😳
Got through almost an entire Fred Bear video before I found them all 🙄
Now I’m good to go with a straight clamp and a straight indexer. I studied both indexers and see that the detents are at slightly different angles. Not sure how they worked all that out, or what it means.
But I shot 3541 bulls eyes in a row at 90 yards with the new arrow after I fixed ‘er up 8)
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