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in reply to: Archery Anatomy #25575
Moebow wrote: Steve, We seem to be missing each other’s point of view. I struggle with your description of the “tension” through the arm.Arne
I think you are talking about muscle tension. I am talking about the tension force that must be applied to the arm to draw the bow. It’s the same tension that is in the string of the training device you mentioned.
When at full draw, the upper arm is under compression and the forearm is under tension. No muscular involvement here.
I tried the bucket thing. Sort of interesting. For me, if I pick the bucket up with the bail and my hand aligned front to back, it will rotate around till it is pointing at my side and my palm faces back. If someone turns it, it goes right back. Cool hah?
It’s the same thing that will happen if you pick the same bucket up with a 1/2″ or larger diameter braided rope. The bucket will rotate as the rope unwinds under tension.
It makes sense to me as the bones and muscles of the forearm are sort of twisted up.
They say that there can be up to a 20% variation in bone to bone angles in normal people. I probably got really lucky and got a combo that makes my hands resting position pronated.
in reply to: Archery Anatomy #24631Moebow wrote: …You say, “…as tension is applied to the string arm,…”
Have you ever tried drawing with a Form master? That is the quickest explanation. Drawing the bow with your elbow via the form master allows you to have a TOTALLY relaxed upper and lower string arm. If there is no tension in the arm, the hand won’t rotate as you describe….
I think we are talking about two different tensions. If there is no tension in the forearm, then the bow cannot be drawn. The drawing force developed in the back muscles must be transmitted, via tension, through the forearm to the fingers and to the string.
That’s the tension I am talking about.
I must have an anatomical anomaly in my arm. If I hold my string arm up to my anchor (no bow, just relaxed and standing there) and have my hand vertical, I can put a pee on my thumb and fling it across the room when I relax my hand as it rotates so the palm is horizontal. It takes a fair amount of effort to keep my hand vertical.
It’s the same feeling you get when you hold your hand open. Open your hand and fingers. It takes effort. When you remove the effort, your fingers curl up toward your palm. The same effort needed to keep your fingers straight is what I have to do to keep my hand vertical.
Hmmmm I wonder if shooting deer with pee’s is legal 😳
in reply to: GPS in trad bow. #24095What about pace maker batteries? Hearing aid batteries? Watch batteries?, etc?
It’s amazing we survived at all without those little beauties invented by the Egyptians. Egyptians you say?
For sure. And as usual, batteries were invented for an ignoble reason: execution. Why hang ’em, stab ’em, drown ’em or stone ’em to death when you an electrocute them?
It only too us 5000 years to get past using batteries to stop the heart (electrocution) and start using it to keep the heart going (pace makers). Who says the pace of civilization is slow?
in reply to: Archery Anatomy #24090Moebow wrote: Steve,
Would you give me a reference to the ” shoulder roll thing”, as referenced in Axford or video? As a coach, when I hear the word “roll” it concerns me…
Like Mike said, it was a reference to setting up good posture. Getting the shoulder down and back in a comfortable way.
But if you have your coaching hat on and want to help, here’s a question I had hoped the book would answer, but I don’t think it did:
As viewed from the elbow of the string arm looking toward the hand, as tension is applied to the string arm, the hand wants to rotate CCW until the palm is parallel to the ground. This causes me to torque the string. I’ve tried a variety of tricks to minimize it, but haven’t found a way to consistently overcome the affect.
I think this is due to the way the two bones in the forearm work, but maybe it’s just me. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I’ve watched your video’s several times, BTW. Good stuff.
in reply to: Archery Anatomy #23266watched video, book on order… Thanks for the tip 😀
The shoulder roll thing looks like a good way to set up a good shot too. Although I think I just let out my inner Michael Jackson 😯
in reply to: Archery Anatomy #22821colmike wrote: … Steve did say it has lots of pictures–always a good thing for an old Marine:D
It is a very methodically written book. Text on left page, accompanying figures on right page. Might need your glasses though…
I found I would read a page and study the figures, then run outside and take some shots to see what happens. Then go back in the house, read another page, study the figures, run outside, rinse and repeat.
I buggered up my back yesterday doing nothing more than sitting on the porch swing listening to the rain and petting the worthless cat. Stiff, sore, and out-of-sorts this morning with no shooting possible today.
Getting old sucks, but I guess it’s better than the alternative.
in reply to: Strange Things/Near Misses #21687colmike wrote: Well I am just amazed that nobody has commented on those gasoline soaked rags that we tied on and shot skyward (after a touch of the cig). Fun time–how did we all escape jail?
Old enough to smoke, dumb enough to play with fire. You must have been 19 😀
They probably hadn’t invented “jails” back then 😯
in reply to: What ya got goin? #21680Good Story! I am sure that if he had seen your mustache, he would have been much more friendly 😯
in reply to: GPS in trad bow. #20579Problem is, most times being lost isn’t innocent.
As a landowner myself, I have found several “lost” people with guns and dogs on my property. They have also happened to have a deer with them. I guess dragging a dead deer helps them find their way home.
I have found several “lost” people during turkey season sitting within 50 yards of my house. I guess sitting on the ground with a diaphram call in their mouth helps them find their way home.
I wish our system was different and that all land was free and open. But it isn’t. I really envy the public land situation out west and hope it can be maintained. But back here in the east, there is very little public land by comparison.
I bought my humble little farm so I could raise my own food and hunt deer in peace. Since I pay the property tax and maintain the land, I expect others that want to use it to have the decency to ask.
And so the bottom line is that the few innocent folks that truly get lost and just want to get back to their truck suffer for the majority of slob hunters that force landowners to have a bad attitude towards trespassers.
In NC they changed the law that the land had to be posted because dog hunters would say “Dogs can’t read signs” and then proceed to poach deer. Now no sign is needed. If you are caught with a gun on the land of another, you are guilty of poaching.
I don’t see anything wrong with GPS’s. They don’t make the hunt any easier. They don’t make the hike any easier. They have their advantages and their limitations, just like everything else.
in reply to: The War of Arrows…. Great movie! #18929Look on youtube and do a search for “backyard bowyer”. He made one and shows how to do it. He shoots it on one of his videos.
found the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYv2NOqncYA
So yes, it can be done 😯
in reply to: Re-Thinking old Thoughts on Woodies #17705Arizona Easy Fletch – I’d be leery of using tape in that. My experience with that jig is that it takes a little wiggling to get it settled in with the fletchings against the shaft. OK with glue, not OK with tape.
Trade Points – I’d like to make some trade points. Circular Saw blades are supposed to be good stock. But cutting them out has always been just too much of a hurdle for me. Seems there aught to be an easy way to do it without needing a plasma torch.
Straight fletching – I’ve found that helical is not necessary. Straight fletching feathers puts less stress on them too, and they last longer.
Looking forward to shooting a deer or elk or rabbit or grouse with some wood arrows this fall!
in reply to: TIGHT NOCKS #17697Sand paper works better than a file, imho.
But making the string / serving fit the nock is the best choice.
I always have the opposite problem. My nocks are usually way loose unless I use really thick serving on the string.
You look good all cleaned up and shaved!
I sprung for a pair of swarovski 10X50’s last year after I gave my Nikon Monarchs to a friend to settle a bet.
I thought the Nikon were nice, which they are. But the Swarovski’s are way better.
in reply to: What ya got goin? #16679I’ve seen that before. And I still can’t get over how they got the camera in the water to watch the osprey catch the flounder. I really have a hard time believing somebody got that lucky. I have to call BS on that.
Which doesn’t take away from the coolness of it. And if it is real, that photographer should have bought a lottery ticket or ask a super model out that same day 😀
The bass has me thinking about a time I saw that very thing happen. I looked out of my jeep over the lake that the road ran by to see an osprey grab a bass about that size. He too had trouble getting air under him. Problem is, he was heading my way. He just wouldn’t drop the damn fish. I hit the breaks, best I could, but it wasn’t enough. That osprey lost his life over a bass, and I had to replace my front right headlight, blinker bracket assembly.
Sometimes you just gotta know when to let go 😯
in reply to: What ya got goin? #16220Deer looks tasty to me!
I like hunting from a tree. But it can be challenging with a traditional bow. Need to do some practicing from the tree to make sure you’ve got the angle thing figured out and that your limbs don’t hit the stand.
Last year I shot 3 deer with my longbow:
-a 3 pointer while stalking
-a doe from a ground blind
-a 7 pointer from a tree stand.
It was enjoyable to mix it up. But mostly it was luck. I spent the least amount of my time in the blind, which I find the most boring method.
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