[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Rattler / Copperhead Skins #59528

I second the pine hollow suggestion. I’ve bought skins from him several times, and they have all been good.

I don’t care for tru-oil over skins. I know it’s popular, but in my opinion the result is too soft and easily damaged.

I like the rub on polly the best these days for ease and toughness. you can get it from home depot or Lowes or where ever. And a little goes a long way.

I like to put 3 coats on the skins alone. Then add another three coats to the skins and the rest of the bow.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: help gold tips #59526

I second the fletchtite suggestion. Duco won’t work with wraps.

And the spine of your arrow is maybe a bit low for your poundage. If your friends arrows flew well, the starting point would be to find out what his arrow spine is, and match it.

By adding the weight tubes, you have moved the center of mass of the arrow back toward the middle, and reduced the acceleration out of the bow. Thus the weaker spined arrows fly ok.

But you gave up speed and the advantage of FOC on arrow flight and penetration.

But that’s ok, just more fun stuff for later!

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Wisconsin deer politics #36437

It will be interesting to see how it all turns out…

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Wisconsin deer politics #35828

I did. I doubt Mr. Kroll had anything to do with that purchase, as it was probably on the books for a while. It was probably agreed to before Walker was elected. And it isn’t scheduled to be complete for 2 years. Plenty of time to back out…

I don’t really see the two things as related to each other in terms of Mr. Petersen’s initial article which seemed to imply that policy going forward would be to reduce public land. I couldn’t find anything in Mr. Kroll’s post that would contradict what was written in the original article.

But alas, I am not from Wisconsin and know little about it. Although I’ve hunted there a few times…

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Wisconsin deer politics #35218

I read it twice. All that being said, he didn’t say he supported public land or that he would object if Walker sold all the public land. Which seems to be the crutch of the issue.

And while he objected to being called a game farmer, he did say he raised deer and sold them (but only to support his research into big antlers). this runs contrary to what I understand as good stewardship, Aldo Leopold style.

I guess if I sell cocaine on the street (but only to support my research into making better drugs), that would be ok?

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: broadheads #30951

Smithhammer wrote:

Hope we’re going to see a few pics of those when they’re done.

As requested… These broadheads went through 5 deer last season 😀 Maybe they are good luck.

Picture was taken before edges were shined up.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: More on Fletching #30687

Not sure what sort of wear you are seeing, but some folks put their cock feather in and hen feathers out. In most cases, this will allow total feather clearance. During the shot the arrow will flex off the shelf, which allows the cock feather to clear.

You can also put some baby powder on your feathers to see where they are contacting the shelf. When you shoot, it should leave tell tale streaks on your riser somewhere…

I shoot 4 fletch at 90 deg. An advantage to this setup is that there is no orientation. I can have any of the 4 feathers be the inside feather. I align 2 feathers with the string. this gives me the “cock feather in” configuration. And it randomly changes each time I nock the arrow… thus making making wear even between all the feathers.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Wisconsin deer politics #29470

J.Wesbrock wrote: …(this author is a very public leader of the nearly-defunct “Recall Walker” movement)…

Last I heard, the recall was successful and Walker will be back on the Ballot this year. If he loses he will be only the second Governor in US history to be recalled. I wouldn’t call that defunct. I’d call that successful.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: ABOUT PBS #29464

Ah-oh I think I heard a request for name suggestions…

PBS – Peoples Bowhunting Society (too communist?)

LBS – Liberal Bowhunting Society (too touchy?)

IBS – International Bowhunting Society (too inclusive?)

And my favorite:

ISB – International Society of Bowhunters, which can of course be represented by another acronym, SOB. Which may be more fun.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: Shooting left-age old question #27772

It never hurts to shoot a bare shaft either… Let’s you know what’s going on.

If you are hitting your arm guard, it may show that you are torquing the bow too…

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: broadheads #27766

Dave,

Yea, I think you may have misread me. As you have done, I have tested the single bevel efoc arrows and been impressed. I have used that setup exclusively for the last 3 or 4 years.

When I brought up the smaller animals like deer and squirrels, I intended to point out that the effect wouldn’t be as observable on those critters. 10 inches of penetration gets you through a carolina deer. 2 inches gets you through a squirrel. I didn’t mean to say that the single bevel efoc arrows would be less effective on smaller game.

And on the replication thing – somebody else has to replicate it. Self replication makes your hands hairy 😯 😳 🙄

I was simply trying to be factual without taking a stand…

I’m done now. I’m off to put an edge on my hunting arrows – 620 grn, 21% fOC, Abowyer Brown Bear heads, 1.5″ aluminum collar behind the head for strength. Fancy laquer cresting, and home made Carolina Turkey Feathers.

Dave, I know you don’t approve, but I’m going bear hunting next week in New Brunswick. Hopefully this won’t come between us 8)

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: broadheads #27352

I stand corrected 🙂

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: ABOUT PBS #27329

Dave – Spot on. And to whomever is listening, it’s never too late to change 🙂

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: broadheads #26323

pothunter wrote: …and no I did not save any of the data I generated.

Data is collected, not generated. If you generated your data, you might be accused of something indecent 🙄 😳 😯

A question like this (what broadhead is best) cannot be solved theoretically. There are too many non-uniformities in the body of an animal to allow that. Empirical data (like that collected by Ashby) is the only way to answer the question.

If a person has a lot of empirical data (meaning he/she has killed a lot of critters without significant wounding), then that person has a right to his/her opinion. But that opinion is limited to the type of critters that person has killed.

I think the thing forgotten in this debate is that the Ashby research was done on big critters, not deer. His results would be hard to duplicate on deer, or squirrels.

But if a person claims they have “done the math” or “applied the physics”, then I have to laugh. This question keeps causing rancor (I humbly suggest) because it is assumed that there is 1 true answer that can be simply derived. The only one true answer is, it all depends…

And thus the experimental approach is the only valid approach to finding the best broadhead.

Data are not accepted as real, and theories are not accepted as true, until the results have been replicated by several independent scientists working independently…

Maybe one of you fair minded chaps would like to take on the chore of attempting to repeat Ashby’s work? Until somebody does repeat the experiments, this debate will not advance.

[Stephen Graf]

in reply to: broadheads #22969

SteveMcD wrote: …as a matter of public record not everyone agrees with the Single Bevel testing. Bob Mayo has a long and lengthy discussion about the comparison made in the Dr Ashby study and presentation at KZoo this past year, regarding the comparison of ACE Broadheads to Single Bevel…

Is this available online?

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