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in reply to: How much bow and arrow for hogs? #59267

rayborbon wrote: Are hogs built tougher than black bears?

Hi Ray,
I would say that the 100-150lb,er’s are about the same, bears are really easy to kill, there not that tough to penetrate.

As a bear gets bigger he really only puts on more weight, his hide does not get thicker and there is no shield or gristle to protect his vitals.

As boars get bigger they get exceptionally tougher, I think they quantify there structure.

What I mean by that is they just don’t put on more weight as bears do, there structure changes, big boars are built for battle they fight every day and some time’s all day, for a hot sow.

There shoulder blade covers the front part of there vitals with a nasty bone ridge on it.

It takes about 5 years for a boar to mature to be a dominate breading boar and he don’t get to bread unless he can kick the but of the current dominate boar in his area.

This boar is only about 230-250lb and just starting to get a tough shield, as you can see the skin is thick over the vitals and gets thinner as you go farther back

As a boar gets older his armor gets tougher and tougher, it is vary fibrous, and designed to “STOP” penetration, so it’s vitals are not penetrated buy another boars tusk, as well as fat like the bear, a boar will also have tons of scar tissue from fighting plus mud caked on there sides.

This is just the skin from a 300 lb boar, ” TOUGH ” is an understatement.

Just my 2 cents my friend

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in reply to: The Line In The Sand: Traditional Equipment #58120

Patrick, “traditional” is in the eye of the traditionalist.

One man might go back 20 years, another 50 years and yet another might go way back to just wood and stone.

Don’t let someone else tell you what you must shoot.

I have never tried wood and stone, I probably will at some time, just for the fun of it, but I don’t think I would shoot that tackle on a regular basses.

You might be talking about modern Traditional tackle, and that is what I shoot on a regular basses.

I shoot in the traditional stile with modern equipment ( laminated longbow with carbon arrows and steal broadheads )

I draw the line at WHEELS, CAMS, & RELEASES anything under that line is shooting in the Traditional stile to me.

Just my 2 cents my friend

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in reply to: How much bow and arrow for hogs? #58096

Jesse Minish wrote: I hate threads about pig hunting! It makes me want to head south in the winter even more to chase them around!

Jesse, God made the Wild Boar for Trad-bowhunters, No limit, No season, Just hunt 😀

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in reply to: How much bow and arrow for hogs? #58090

J.Wesbrock wrote:
When I was in West Texas this past May, one of the hunters in camp, Brent Hill, killed this 225# mature boar. He used a 48# Bob Lee recurve shooting an unweighted carbon arrow tipped with a 1964 Bear Razorhead.

As always, these things come down to proper shot placement.

Hi J.
That statement is always true, it looks like from that pic the hit was behind the ribs and the armor, looks like gut shot, or was it quartering away ( witch is a great shot angle ) however, can anyone guarantee 100% of the time that there arrow will hit exactly where they intended it to go, we all know the answer.

Did you know Elephants have been killed with a 22cal. does that mean it’s an adequate weapon for Elephants, no!

Can you kill with light tackle? Yes!

However why not stack the deck in your favor and shoot as heavy a tackle as we can.

If the animal drops, spins or reacts to the shot in any way, that perfect shot, can now be a poo poo shot, and a greater chance of a lost animal.

There is no 100% guarantees in hunting ( way to many variables ) but we can stack the odds in our favor.

If I could shoot a .500 nitro (figuratively speaking) I would, there is no down side to shooting heavy tackle in Bowhunting, there is only gain.

If you could shoot a 100lb bow with a 1000+ grain arrow, there is no down side, you are not going to ruin any meat, but you will be able to run your arrow through anything you might hit.

This boar had almost 3″ of armor then another 4″ of muscle before you get to the ribs, plus mud which can dull a soft steal broadhead.

Most can’t shoot 100lb bow so, we have to shoot the best tackle we possibly can with our physical limitations. if all I can shoot is 40-45lb, I have to limit what I shoot at and the shots I will take.

Has there ever been an animal that was lost because the Bowhunter got to much penetration?

When I fly fish, I like light tackle, but, when it comes to Bowhunting I’m an advocate of more is better.

Just my 2 cents my friend

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in reply to: How much bow and arrow for hogs? #57673

Hi Snuffornot, to me there are a few type’s of hogs.

* under 100lb can be killed with almost any bow arrow combo.

* above 100-150lb is starting to get pretty tough and needs a good set up that’s able to penetrate at least 10″-12″ of chest.

* above 150-200 is a tough animal to kill with a bow, a hog of this size can have some real armor covering there vital area, the heaver bow you can shoot the better ( now we are not target shooting, we are hunting and we usually only take a few shots, so we can usually shoot 5-10lb heaver ) a heavy arrow with a deep penetrating broadhead.

* above 200-400 are as tough as they get and can take a ton of punishment and keep going, only the best of gear can penetrate deep enough to get a kill on these boars

Just my 2 cents my friend

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in reply to: Ground Hunting Tips #41362

HalfaHun wrote: It is not true out here in the Pacific NW that we ground hunt wearing wetsuits and shooting fiberglass fisharrows at the local blacktails- most of the time!
Bert

Are you sure, sounds like an episode of SEE HUNT LOL

I been there, pretty wet my friend.

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in reply to: EFOC and slowmotion #41348

TALIBAN😯

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in reply to: Internal Footings #41331

See I have a problem, I have about 15 dozen left of these super skinny arrows that I love .230 outside diameter.

Bing the hard head that I am, I don’t want to buy any shafts, I just keep tweaking these to make them work, thus my 12″ aluminum out side footing to ad spine.

With the 12″ IF sold carbon rod, I have not yet found the limit for point weight 😀 so we will see.

Now I have another question.

If the IF is so long say 12-15″ do you think it still needs the back taped for the flex or is it so far back it no longer matters.

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in reply to: Internal Footings #41299

Oh, another question I have been using Gorilla grip glue I like it and is swells to fill any empty space.

It might swell so much it could fill the tapered area, yet it does remain flexible.

I am wondering if I should go to a slow cure epoxy?

What do you think

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in reply to: Internal Footings #41293

(hint, hint). I’ll be waiting for your results! 😯 😯 Ok that’s the least I can do, I’ll start cooking.:?

The only thing I need to figure out is how to get the UEFOC and still have enough spine.

Thanks so much.

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in reply to: Elephant with a bow #41273

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Absolutely true! I’ve guided hunters who were ‘really good shots’ (on targets) who shot really poorly on every animal, and I’ve also guided hunters who barely shot ‘adequately’ (on targets), yet consistently made well place, clean killing shots on each and every animal they fired at. It’s neither the weapon nor the technical skill of the shooter, it the “hunter”. Some folks just have more “hunter” than others.

Ed

Hi Doc, I have no doubt you have seen this, however that is not the norm, most bad shots are worse shots with adrenalin and the excitement of the hunt on game animals.

I think why some people “look” like good hunting shots is because they shoot far less arrows while hunting ( most only shoot a few arrow on a hunt ) and they only take high percentage shots.

While at the target butts we may shoot more arrows at one setting than we shoot all season hunting ( I will shot 50-100 arrows easily at one practice time ) as instinctive shooter it’s vary hard to maintain concentration for that many shots.

A bad shooter is a bad shooter, there is no way they can magically become a good shot on game.

30 years ago I was a way better hunter than I was a shot, I could get close to all kinds of game only to blow the shot at the moment of truth.

I set out to become a excellent shot( it took dedication and hard work ) and it has paid huge dividends.

The target that you want to hit does not matter ( wether a animal or a spot ) only the ability to hit what you want consistently.

On the flip side because you can hit a target does not mean you can hit game ( you also must be a hunter and able to hold your mud at the moment of truth )

Just my 2 cents my friend.

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in reply to: Internal Footings #41237

Hi Doc, I have a few question for you,

#1. It looks like there might be a weak spot at where the insert and the dowel come together?

#2. Did you notice any change in the spine of the arrow with IF?

#3. What would be a better arrow of these two? ( by better I mean in penetration )
A: 650 grains with a 32% efoc
B: 765 grains with a 28% efoc

I want to cook up some new IF arrow and am looking for a target to shoot for.

With the carbon shafts I am using, if I go up in point weight I have to increase the spine of the overall arrow to handle the front weight.

I like the idea of a 650 grain arrow with the 30+% efoc

My goal is to be able to shoot through the pelvic girdle and exit the front shoulder on a big boar.

Thanks

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in reply to: A long look at fletching and EFOC #35025

Thanks guy’s 8)

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in reply to: A long look at fletching and EFOC #34955

Steve Sr. wrote:

575 grains and 29.2 percent (top) and 585 grains and 30.2 percent(bottom) is the weight and EFOC on these two.
God Bless
Steve

Hi Steve, how are you getting such high EFOC on such light arrows? there not that light, just lighter than mine.

I want to go to 35% or so, but I also don’t want to shoot 1000 grains.

Thanks

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in reply to: Performance Report: A successful failure #34938

WOW! that is amazing information.

He did get vary good soft tissue penetration, and the momentum of the arrow was able to still have enough energy to DESTROY the broadhead.

Thanks and keep the info stream flowing

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