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in reply to: broadheads #23144
J.Wesbrock wrote: Steve McD,
If it’s not broken, don’t fix it? Indeed.
A pass through is a pass through, and if the only way for me to quantify an increase in penetration is by measuring how far my arrows burry in the dirt after going through an animal, I see no reason to change what I’m doing.
This debate seems to rear its head on a regular basis, and personally, I feel like it gets pretty tiresome. I don’t feel that making a choice to shoot a trad bow means we all have to sign on to the same, set-in-stone mentality, nor does it have to mean consigning oneself to a static, un-evolving way of doing things.
Traditional archery is not fixed at some arbitrary moment in history….or at least in doesn’t have to be. If you consciously make the choice to adhere to some point in our history that you feel was the apex of our sport, and not entertain anything that may have been developed since, that’s fine, and I really don’t care what others choose. But saying that there is no need to do things any differently than how you’ve chosen to do them, and at the point in our evolution that you’ve chosen to stop evolving at, is no less dogmatic than what you’re purporting to be reacting against.
Personally, I see our trad history as something that continues to be dynamic – not fixed, and that has been continually evolving since the first time someone affixed a string to a pliable piece of wood (or horn, or…), and will hopefully continue to do so. I think that tinkering and evolution are generally good things, if they stand up against the test of usefulness. And if they don’t? Then the over-arching rule of practicality that guides our sport will eventually consign them to the dustbin.
But this mentality that “everything has already been figured out” and that there is no need to try anything different anymore, baffles me. There are so many innovations that many of us “traditionalists” currently enjoy, and that get defined as “traditional,” that we wouldn’t have if this peremptory mentality ruled the day. Fastflight? Modern composite wood construction? Non-wood shaft options? Ever-evolving bow designs? Unless the folks espousing this, “no need to innovate” mentality are purely using self bows with handknapped heads and sinew, I think this point of view is rather inconsistent and arbitrary, to say the least. History is, by its very nature, dynamic and ever-evolving. Nostalgia, on the other hand, tends to breed just the opposite.
in reply to: CO Elk Help Needed #19680turtlebunting wrote: is a 52 pound longbow enough to use on a elk? and what is a good arrow weight to use one them?
I would look at your second question first, as I tend to think that the arrow is more critical than the bow – 600 gr. is the minimum I would personally use for elk, with as much of that weight forward as possible.
With that in mind, back to your first question – will your longbow handle such a 600 + gr. arrow accurately and well, with good penetration? If so, then yes.
I know that in theory, any #50+ bow should be capable of handling such an arrow, but in reality I find that some handle them better than others…
in reply to: carbon arrow broke upon release #19041Is it possible that the arrow had taken any hard hits, weird deflections, etc. previously?
in reply to: New to Archery #16387You can often find a dozen Gold Tip Hunters for around $50 at sporting good stores. They are perfectly fine, durable target arrows for getting started.
And like Steve says, setting up a target to minimize arrow damage/loss will make a difference.
in reply to: New Kanati #15822vintage archer wrote:
I got thinking about bows and my hand stated quivering and made me double post LOL
Haha.
Thanks, all. Here is one more, next to my Bark River Canadian Special, which it just happens to match quite nicely…:wink:
in reply to: MA and FOC in Sioux buffalo arrows #15599David Petersen wrote: This sure would beat shooting bison with “bird” points!
No kidding. A little hard to tell in the pic, but the fletching seems long, but also quite low profile?
Tell Alex to swing by more often. I always enjoy his contributions.
in reply to: Goals #1 and #2 achieved! I AM TRAD. #15576Great gobbler, and well done all around! Congrats, Tombow!
in reply to: Longbows and demon birds from hades #53242Congrats!!!
Is that a Kanati longbow?
in reply to: ATVs on public lands #47614Backcountry Joe wrote:
It would be a shame to lose this battle due to folks not wanting to stand up for what they believe in.
Bottom line.
in reply to: ATVs on public lands #47202wahoo wrote: Dave your right. Here in ID it’s a mess roads everywhere and all people bitch about are wolfs — go figure
Yup.
What drives me crazy is the prevalent attitude amongst people who think that being able to ride their ATV anywhere they want is actually some sort of inalienable “right,” no matter what the impact on others, on habitat, and on wildlife.
Unfortunately, in my experience, politicians in DC may as well be on another planet when you try to discuss Western issues with them. They generally seem to have no idea what life is like in the rural West (much less anywhere else outside the narcissistic Beltway). And western politicians at the state level are terrified of upsetting those hunters who have big lobbying groups behind them (like the ATV lobby).
There continue to be outstanding death threats (not an exaggeration) against the FS officials in our valley, for closing two roads in one of our local mountain ranges that were getting torn to hell by ATV abuse. Two roads that were getting hammered, when there still exist a multitude of other roads that are open to ATVs in that area. That was 6 years ago, and those officials still fear for their safety, and the safety of their families.
in reply to: Elk hunting tips #35027Agreed about keeping calling to a minimum. I only carry a cow call with me, and try to use it sparingly.
When a bull is bugling nearby but doesn’t seem to be moving, staying put isn’t always the best solution. Sometimes closing the distance helps.
If you’re calling, be ready. Be set up where you want to be, anticipate which direction the bull will come from, and be ready to draw. And don’t be surprised if the bull that comes in is not the one you hear bugling.
in reply to: ASAT CAMO ANYONE? #34427I like it. It’s similar in it’s approach to Predator, VIAS, etc, and I use them all interchangeably. “All Situations All Terrain” is a pretty accurate description, imo.
in reply to: Thanks, Dave! #27626Your wry humor, sage advice and unabashed personal perspectives will be sorely missed, Dave.
I guess the rest of us better step it up – we’ve got some big shoes to fill.
And the eastern Idaho offer will always be there, compadre.
in reply to: Tanto Point? #25429Indeed. The broadheads that Larry is referring to are the VPA Penetrators. I’m pretty intrigued by them, and will probably be picking some up soon. I’ve been really impressed with VPA quality so far (the Terminators are the most indestructible 3-Blade I’ve used), and they come in a broad variety of grain weights.
All other things being equal, a Tanto tip will be more durable than a fine-pointed tip, and I can’t see it affecting penetration.
pewanogo wrote:
We sometimes take our hunting for granted until we realize how difficult it is for some guys to actually take part in this great sport of hunting with bow and arrow.
No kidding. It’s easy to forget just how good we have it.
It’s also great to have people from other countries on this board. The more different perspectives the better! Thanks for sharing Wexbow.
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