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in reply to: Little Blackie takes a dirt nap #15560

This is a pic I took from the video I shot of him, as he was staggering down hill.

You can see the arrow & Tuffhead on his exit side.

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in reply to: Little Blackie takes a dirt nap #15557

” S ” in his heart…… brought to you by TUFFHEAD.

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in reply to: Little Blackie takes a dirt nap #15556

The arrow had backed out after he snapped it off, I got about 24 inches of penetration, yet I did not want to touch the arrow, as thats the way he died.

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in reply to: Caroline & David Petersen #42071

My God…. My God……. my dear friend, I am so sorry for your loss, I just found out…… I wish I was closer to you so we could just go stump shooting in silence……..

I have never seen you face to face or your lovely bride…… however we are brothers of the bow…… and the spell it cast on us…..

Dave, if you love Caroline half as much as I love my bride, I can not imagine the sorrow in your heart…… you are strong though & I can already hear that in your words.

I hope & pray that you might find some comfort in these words .

Romans 8:36

As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;

we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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in reply to: FPS/Slugs and bones…. #54008

Hi Ausjim, yes, the kill shot was down hill broadside, test shot was level broadside.

I would definitely agree that bear are easier to penetrant than a big boar hog, however you are also talking 3-4 times the mass, over a black bears, even the big ones, will still be half the size of a brown bear.

Shooting through a black bear is about equal to shooting through a meat hog ( under 150lb ) shooting a brown bear, I would think ( because I’ve not done it ) would be along the lines of shooting a huge boar, ( 300lb and up ) I would want 25″ of penetration minimum to transverse there chest.

Some info:

The grizzly is a North American subspecies of brown bear with the Latin name Ursus arctos horribilis. The correct scientific name for a grizzly is “brown bear,” but only coastal bears in Alaska and Canada are generally referred to as such, while inland and Arctic bears and those found in the lower 48 States are called grizzly bears.

Size and Weight: Walking on all fours, brown bears have a height of about 3.5 feet (just over 1 meter). They can reach heights of 6-7 feet (1.5-2.5 meters) when standing on their hind legs. There are regional size differences among bears; brown bears are generally larger in the north—likely due to the colder climates. The largest of the brown bears, is the Kodiak bear (Ursus arctos middendorffi), is found only in the Kodiak archipelago islands along the southeastern coast of Alaska. Kodiaks can stand more than 10 feet (3 meters) tall on their hind legs and 5 feet (1.5 meters) tall when on all fours.

Brown bears exhibit sexual dimorphism, with males being significantly larger than females. This size difference is a result of larger males having better mating success than smaller males.

Male bears are close to 2 times heavier than females. A typical adult male weighs between 300-850 pounds (130-390 kilograms), while the adult female weighs between 200-450 pounds (90-200 kilograms). Kodiak bears, the largest of the species, can weigh over 1,000 pounds (450 kilograms), as can those brown bears on the Alaska Peninsula

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in reply to: FPS/Slugs and bones…. #53009

Well my friend, as you know, it’s a labor of love……

Who knows…. if we could ever get you out of the high country, maybe take a TRIP back to California ( pun intended ), bust some mountain hogs, stranger things have happened.

The problem with California, they charge all the money to hunt here, if I did not live here, I would head to Texas, hunter friendly & game rich

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in reply to: FPS/Slugs and bones…. #52980

In my experience more is better, until you can’t handle it, then back down until you can, in hunting we are only taking a few shots, not shooting a field tournament of 100+ arrows.

If you can shoot the heavier limbs I would, Howard Hill liked to hunt with 80-90lb bows because of the better cast and deeper penetration, he and Bear both said; the most important thing is penetration, with out enough penetration you will not reach the vitals.

No one, & I mean NO ONE, has ever lost an animal from to much penetration, on the other hand, countless animals have been lost from lack of penetration, even if it was hit bad, a pass through is better than not getting deep enough.

Big bears are north Americas most dangerous game, the adrenalin factor alone could cause one to make a less than perfect shot to begin with, sticking a big bear with a sharp stick could get one eaten, I would also not want my arrow to stay in him, so he could see it and cause more flight in his reaction, usually if it just jumps through them, they are more puzzled to what just happened, than if they see an arrow wagging in there side.

I am assuming you would be shooting 20 yards or under, I would shoot the heaviest bow I could work up to, shooting only 5 or six arrow with it a day, yet making perfect shots as I can, I would also shoot around 1000 grains with UEFOC ( ultras extreme forward of center ) I do not need a flat shooting arrow, I want a deep penetrating arrow.

Just my 2 cents and worth what you paid for it.

PS, I shot this boar at around 30 yards with a 60# centaur longbow, a 675 grain arrow with a tuffhead and over 30% uefoc, I only got about 11′ into him, hitting him in the heart, I did a test shot @ around 6 yards after he was dead and only got about 4 more inches of penetration.

I would not shoot this set up at a Brown bear.

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in reply to: What's in his mouth?……. a banana!!!!!!!! #49523

You guys are so cool, thanks for all of the nice words.

Dave your words hit me right in the heart, thanks I am blessed

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in reply to: What's in his mouth?……. a banana!!!!!!!! #48610

Thanks Doc Nock, it was vary special

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in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #39976

Joe, I’m shooting Gt Estrada ultra light 300, however I spoke with Ron @ KME and it looks like we might be turning another corner as fare as UEFOC arrow.

I also failed to give credit for my statement that the ” goal is to get it in the truck ” which I pirated from Ron…..lol

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in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #39281

Really for the life of me, I can’t understand the poor folk who refuse to try any of Doc. Ashby’s finding, yet say they don’t believe his finding…. say what 😯

I have always wanted more penetration, and as Howard Hill said, “it’s what matters most when it comes to killing stuff” with out penetration there is no cutting of the vitals.

I got stuck in, it’s always worked mind set, until I started to read Doc Ashby’s study’s, and it really got me thinking, so I started to try some of the things he was talking about, what I realized was, it’s not ONE thing, but several things you can do to increase penetration.

Doc through down the gantlet and posed the question, ” what if you could shoot an arrow through the pelvis girdle and reach the vitals consistently “

I thought “WOW” that’s what I’ve been looking for.

Doing most of my hunting on the ground puts you in a lot of bad shot angle with traditional hunting tackle, you don’t always have the luxury of waiting for them to turn broadside, Just being there, is just not good enough for me, I want some meat, my goal is a kill, not a bow hike.

As I have been testing the edges of the “BOX” with a set up designed to get the maximum amount of penetration possible, it allows me to take a lot more creative angles into the vitals.

Yes, the shortest way to the vitals is the broadside shot, and the longest would be through the hip, most set up’s are not capable of reaching the vitals from anything other than a slight quartering away angle.

I am not recommending you try this shot angle, until you have proved it on a dead animal.

Some would say that’s an un ethical shot angle, I don’t think so, what’s un ethical, is going afield with equipment on the vary edge of the capability to kill an animal quickly, one that is the minimum amount one could use, as the results set you up for a wounded and lost animal.

If you hunt more than once or twice, something will eventually happen, missed your spot, animal moved, hit a twig, etc, etc, etc.

If the goal is to “get it in the truck” are you better served with more penetration or less ? what if no matter what you hit, your arrow blows through it ?, leg bone, shoulder bone, hip socket, spine, etc, now your talking about lethality.

And guess what, you can still shot them through the chest broadside.

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in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #38735

I like this right now, Tuffhead 300 with 100gr steel adaptor, 4″ of 2117, 4″ rap & 4×2 A&A flitch, 730grain total arrow.

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in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #38724

oh’ Dave, I’m out side the box by a long ways, I been playing with so many different set ups I cant keep track, got to start writing this stuff down, cus I will change it, and forget where I was, and start over.

Joe, I been playing with 55#, 58# 60# & 67# bows with 450, 600, 630, 680, 700, 730 & 800 grain arrows with maxed out EFOC of about 32%

I have to confess the 800’rds out of a tree stand are like smoke with a point, ZERO noise, nothing, nata. I like.

However, 800s down range to far and she starts to rainbow through the sky….lol, but for up close she is the bomb, I can hit out to 40-45 yards.

I think Ron over @ KME has drank the Kool-Aid, he said something about 40% UEFOC, with a 750 grain arrow, have to call him back.

Hey Doc, & Troy, cant seem to get my bare shafts to fly…………lol

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in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #38161

I don’t-know about all this UEFOC stuff, sounds like you think you can sail around the earth….. don’t you know the earth is flat… it’s always been flat…. you will FALE if you try and sail around the earth, no one has ever done it before…..why cant you just do what your fathers, father has always done….. it has always worked, why try and change what’s worked for ever….. etc.

Sounds silly now, because most of us have been around the earth, yet there was a time that it was 100% rejected.

60# bow, Tuffhead 225, 100gn. steal adaptor,2″ 2117, 40gn. insert, 29″ GT300, total arrow weight 630, 28% EFOC, 4×2 A&A fletch, shot was about 10 yards on the ground, right into the shield, got an exit, but I WANT A TOTAL ARROW PASSTHROUGH.

Must keep working on set up…..lol

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in reply to: Electronic predator caller build along #48959

vary interesting….. now lets see the predator kills

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