[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Internal Footings #33869

Doc, it does some times amaze me how much negative comments get made, you my friend take a lot of heat for trying to help ALL of us, 😥 I don’t know how you do it.

I have tried the big broadhead thing, I think it’s a rookie mistake ( which; I also made )

The rookie thinks if I push this AXE head through this animal, I’ll cut a huge hole and it will, however it comes at a cost.

THE COST IS PENETRATION

I don’t want to give any penetration up for a big hole, it also imparts “IMHO” ten times the flight response in the animal.

The rookie does not understand it is penetration that is Paramount, if only soft tissue is contacted; I can push a flat edged shovel through 😯 but if bone is contacted your SOL.

I looked at the BIG AFRICAN game and what did it take to put one down, it does not take a giant hole, it take a hole stem to stern about the size of a broom handle.

The rookie thinks with a big hole I’ll get more blood on the ground, NOT TRUE, it’s what was cut, and how sharp was the broadhead IMHO that puts blood on the ground.

Buff, just shot a whitetail with a 2 inch wide broadhead through the lungs that ran 500 yards with the arrow sticking out of both sides, with vary little blood on the ground, here’s the video, copy and past it.
http://www.buffsblackwidow.com/videos/riorojo8point.wmv

Some of the hardheads think because we have killed animals for thousands of years with real crappy equipment we should keep using crappy equipment.

If Fred Bear was hear he would be at the forefront of your study information, he never used crappy equipment, he used the BEST there was at the time.

We already know we can kill all kinds of big game with a self bow and stone head, that’s not the point.

Stay the course my friend, they might treat you like Picasso, after your dead they’ll appreciate your work. lol

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Internal Footings #33743

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: David,
If I can recover from all this medical stuff and get back to doing things more important (LOL) I want to get to at least 35% FOC for some testing.

Ed

Glad you got your priority’s straight 😆 lol

This is a small boar that I shot in his bed @ 9 yards ( arrow was not internal footed, but just a short triple external footing, total arrow weight around 650 and 25% efoc )

The red line is the path of the shot, except he was lying on his other side, it went in the top of the shoulder blade and cut the ridge blowing the bone off and down through the flat into the lung.

The broadhead completely severed the right back lobe of the lung off.

He snapped the arrow as he ran under a oak tree branch, you can see how much penetration I got even tho it went through the 2 bones ( about 17″ )I pilfered the grizzly 190

This shot made me a believer:shock: lol

Oh! cant forget the hero pic lol

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: The 2 Feathered Arrow #33710

With efoc I am now shooting 4×3″ 12″ total feather surface, and I want to try 4×2″ for 8″ total.

I like the sound or the lack there of, of quite arrow flight.

Most guys have way to much feather surface needed to steer there arrow, at some shoots I hear there arrow flying like a flu flu, 5 1/2″ big banana cut 😯

All big fletching does is HIDE bad arrow spine/ tune.

I can bare shaft my arrows out to 60 yards.

The fletching is only there to steer the broadhead and keep it from trying to steer the arrow.

I have tried the 2 fletch did not give it enough testing.

Have fun.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Internal Footings #33629

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Looks like a killer setup David. Structurally that should be a good, tough arrow. With so many variable component parts how hard was it to get the tuning right? It going to be interesting to see how it performs. Have you tried any adverse angle punishment test shots yet?

Ed

My NEW “IF” has only been shot into the target.

My external footed arrow has minor testing, my target, a wall at 45 degrees and a young bull elk.

I have found that the small shaft diameter pays huge dividend as far as having little to no shaft drag, I have kill shots that had no blood on over half of the shaft.

The external footing ads to the shaft diameter and I think it’s going in the wrong direction, however I needed more spine in my shaft so, putting 15″ of 1716 over the shaft gave me the spine I needed to fine tune my arrow to handle the EFOC, actually the tuning was easy because I knew what direction I needed to go.

Ed I don’t like shooting my arrows into steal and walls at angles 😕 lol

I wanted to do some testing on my bull, but I shot it just before dark and did not get the first loud of meat back to camp till midnight.

Entrance SLIT “NOT”

This is the exit after hitting ribs on both sides, it also went through the foreleg.

He did snap the arrow and I never found the front 3/4 of the arrow.

Shot was around 27 yards, slight quartering away, down hill, 58″ Centaur 60lb @ 28″ arrow 765 grain with grizzly el grandy

I got to through in the hero pic yum! yum! spike.

I hope to do a lot of testing this year on hogs, I want to develop an arrow broadhead combo that will consistently penetrate the double bone on the shoulder blade on a big boar, it is this ridge where the knife is sitting.

Not that I want to kill them by going through this double bone, I just want a set up that has the capability to do it.

After reading your study on arrow integrity, I also believe it is the most important ingredient, in cooking up a super deadly arrow.

I think internal footing is going in the right direction, and I look forward to setting up some 35% UEFOC arrows.

Thanks so much for all the work you have so unselfishly shared with us wouldbe’s

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Internal Footings #33160

This is the arrow I made for my Elk hunt this year, it might get some Hog action also.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Internal Footings #33157

Hi Ed,

I have been working on using the info you have shared to make my next KILLER arrow.

I am using a sold carbon rod around 12″ long for the spine it adds to my arrow( I still need more testing ) so far, I like it more than doing 12″ of aluminum outsert footing.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Dave's bull — Ashby performance report #31314

Right on Dave, I’m glade you understood what I was trying to say.

Dave I appreciate your honesty on the shot and what was happening and how your equipment was set up for the “WHAT IF” rather than the perfect broadside, standing flatfooted shot.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Dave's bull — Ashby performance report #28578

Right on Dave… I just had Elk stew tonight yum 😛 yum there the best for table fare.

Hey, have you ever tried a clicker, I have been using one on my bows for about 15 years, I always hit full draw, which is vary important for getting every thing out of our set up’s.

Theirs two things that happen when we don’t hit full draw.
( I’m not picking on you bro. just putting it out there for some thought )

*1st, our tuned arrow is now over spined, and is not that fined tuned arrow we had at the practices butts.

*2nd, I am now shooting 3 lbs lighter bow if I just short draw one inch, 6 lbs if it’s 2″ short etc…

The other side of that is, I get real excited and crank it back a couple of extra inches and now my perfectly tuned arrow is way under spined, fish tailing the whole way to my target.

Both out comes reduce my penetration.

You can see the clicker on this 70lb skookom longbow back in the day, hey it’s still the day, lol

PS Nice pic’s

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Ground Hunting Tips #28203

I was able to get into about 15 yards of this buck.

Notice I have my bears feet on.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Ground Hunting Tips #28197

Dave T, I don’t hunt whitetails, but I do 99% of my hunting on the ground, most of it spot and stock or still hunting.

There are a few “must”

#1 Move slow, move as slow as you can…… then cut that in half.

#2 You must see the deer first… so, if your looking at your feet your already busted.

#3 Only bears can move through the forest with out making noise, so…. you must learn to make noise that sounds like another animal, I try and sound like a deer moving through, I use bears feet to move quietly.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Ashby set-up on elk — success report #15939

Dave you been at happy hour all night 😯 now on with it, if you can still type.:lol:

I think the knowledge of efoc and the Ashbey study’s are changing some of the thinking about our equipment and the standard shot placement.

I am never advocating taking garbage shots, just KILLING shots, if that bull was facing the other direction it’s a perfect quartering away shot, exiting at where the entrance is, you just need to know what your equipments limitations are and hunt accordingly.

Ok Dave, lets hear the details .

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Stories, Experience and your Dr. Ashby Inspired Set-Up #52260

You can kill a lot of animals with just about any broadhead if all go’s perfect……… but what about when Murphy’s law shows up…… when the going gets tough.

Thank God you where prepared for the worst case scenario, verses the best case scenario.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Grizzly El Grandy Sharpening #52243

Buckhorn you’ll love this file, makes it quick and easy.

Oh, shipping was a little more to you that I thought, you’ll see

Take care, if you have any questions or need help just let me know

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Grizzly El Grandy Sharpening #49090

Hey Dave, your right about having a lot of these super skinny shafts, I think I’m down to 12dz now.

I wanted more weight up front but did not have enough spine, so, I put 15″ of 1716 ( wanted it on the front ) and it in effect made the shaft stiffer.

It went through my spike bull like it was invisible.

Next I want to try the internal footing, hopefully it will stiffen and strengthen the shaft.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: You Favorite Broadhead and why ? #45649

This one has the highest mechanical advantage of them all.

For when poopoo happens

You can shoot through a deer’s chest with just about any broadhead, it’s when the going gets tough that the good ones shine

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