[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #16466

Same to ya Hiram:D

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #15753

Surely you don’t think I would not check out an organization I give my money to after all this blowin and goin about the NRA. 😀

Check em out. I think you will be happy with their mission. The Arkansas office and membership are mostly hunters.

I really don’t want to pour gas on this fire again, but I gotta ask this question. Again it’s one of my points here. Why is an organization that deals with conservation or animals questioned while the NRA isn’t, except by me? I’m encouraging everyone to be informed about anywhere you put
your support.

Thanks for the idea Patrick I may just start my own organization. I can do whatever I want since we live in a free country. All of them we know today were started by someone with a cause, why not.

I started this post with the thought that this was a black or white issue, however after reading everyones thoughts I must say like most things in this world it is various shades of gray. Again, just something to think about.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #14934

Dead serious. After reading all the posts on this thread, I don’t believe this is something to agree or disagree on, just something else to think about when you send your money or step into that voting booth.

I have a problem trusting an organization that big and that powerful especially when they are so tightly woven into our political fabric. But thats just me.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #14720

Well, that is part of it. Of course I should have tempered my thoughts with the words ” speaking in general terms” because it doesn’t apply to everyone. But, looking at past track records I would say, in general terms, that is correct. Can anyone really argue that it’s not? Maybe not that they have no regard for enviro concerns but that those fall a little down their list. I’ve actually voted republican probably more than democrat, I have no political party affiliation. My thinking has changed in recent years by listening to people who have different concerns than mine.

[johnny2]

in reply to: Scent-Lok #14693

I watch the wind and use a baking soda water spray I make myself.

A few years back I tried a technique a friend told me about that has roots in Native American hunting methods. I went vegetarian for a month before season. Amazingly I was never busted and actually killed a buck 8 yards DOWNWIND from me. Of course I also kept my clothes scent free. Alas, I don’t have the will power to deny my carnivore needs to try this again.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #14656

I really don’t care if you see things my way or not. I’m not trying to convert people. I’m just trying to present a different angle on a very controversial subject. I know most folks that hunt see things a certain way and sometimes another view can open your way of thinking. I understand your position on our constitution and second amendment and I agree with you. I understand that somethings we hold dearly need to be protected and that we don’t live in a perfect world where you can have everything you want. That being said we have some tough problems to face and decisions to make, I am curious as to what things people are willing to compromise to support the NRA.

Patrick, my frustration with you is that you want to turn this into a discussion of the second amendment, which I’ve stated repeatedly, is not my intent.

As for thoughts based in anger, I can go back on this post and look at several respones fueled by anger. The strong, defensive, capitalized words are a dead giveaway. Hey man, I get angry sometimes too. Check some of my posts on the hunting show subject. It’s easy to do when you feel passion for your cause. But we all should step back take, a deep breath, and consider our brothers concerns.

Pray tell, what is my premise?

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13864

Thanks hiram. Dang why didn’t I think of that!

Most of my donations go to the Nature Conservancy.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13849

Let’s clear this up once and for all. NO ONE is arguing the validity or ideas of the second amendment or the constitution. This post was started to discuss the NRA. You don’t have to be a member of the NRA to be pro gun or an American. Really, Patrick, please understand this. This post is about the ways we choose to protect these rights. I am questioning the methods and to what extent we are willing to support an organization that claims they are protecting our second amendment. Don’t try to add any more layers. I started this thread and I’m telling you now, I never intended to argue the pros and cons of the second amendment or our constitution. Open your mind a little, I think your stuck in defensive mode. This goes along with what I’m saying here, just the thought of someone questioning the beloved NRA throws folks into a defensive, paranoid state. Example: I am accused of spreading liberal idealism on this site to pull folks teetering on the edge of indecisevness. Please. Doesn’t this sound familiar to the NRA’s capaign ads during election years? This is exactly my point.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13767

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It looks to me like patrick and hiram are trying to argue my patriotism instead of the subject at hand. So do you have to be a member of the NRA to be a true American and outdoorsman?

No thanks Hiram, I would get no satisfaction from hunting a stand someone else found. But you can hunt with me. You can even use whatever weapon you choose and you can talk about whatever you want. I might disagree but I won’t judge. And hey, it is a free country, do or say what you want

Looking back at all of my past posts on this subject I have made no comments regarding the second amendment or the costitution. For the record, I agree with both. My problem is with the NRA tactics and yes with the herd mentality exhibited by many of it’s members to vote on a candidate based only on the recomendation of the NRA. I am all about thinking on your own. I’m all about clear, common sense thinking, thinking that isn’t clouded by fear or prejudice because someone sees things a little differently than me. I’m all about acknowledging that some things are more important than your right to own a gun. This in no way diminishes these personal rights, just prioritizes. I believe that some folks would let everything crumble around them in order to hold on to their guns. I’m not willing to do that. I think others should consider these points. Because of the freedoms provided by our country I can express these views.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12939

Dude, you are way to far right for me. My Dad always said there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere near the middle. So far these words have proven true. You need to go back and read all the posts.

Again I think it is a sad state of affairs when your right to own any gun you want takes precedence over any other issues.

Lord help us consider the well being and concerns of our neighbor above our own.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12861

Aw man you busted me, I’m a secret service agent sent to this site by the liberal leaders to divide and conquer and take your guns!!!!!:twisted: You found the mole. From the previous posts it looks like the virtual mob is gonna burn me at the virtual cyber stake.

I never claimed to be objective, in fact I said I had problems with the NRA from the first post on.

Yes I am tree hugger, there, I said it. I ‘m sorry I just love the oxygen they produce.

I love it when folks try to label me, Hiram go back and read my mini bio on page two of this post. Dude my Dad was a member. I have no political agenda or party membership. It just chaps my hiney when people support so and so because the NRA backs him. And what if I was a hunter with liberal tendencies, does that mean my opinions don’t count? How arrogant and close minded can you get. So, let me get this right I can share my thoughts as long they line up with the majority? That sounds kinda…well…socialist. I thought you guys were arguing for the very freedoms you just said I neede to take to another site.

My point is and always will be there more things to decide on than whether we should or should not have all the guns we want and if that is the main reason behind who you support, well , thats just sad.

Assualt rifles ARE automatic rifles.

It is a paradox, the NRA should stick to gun issues so they can’t comment on a candidates environmental ideas, etc., etc. Quite the conundrum. I don’t have an answer for this other than the party one. NRA mostly supports Repub, most Repubs bad enviro policies. There are execptions, though few.

I never made any comment concerning DR. Ashby, that being said I will stand up to anyone for what I believe in. For all you know I might be a political science professor.

Frankly speaking i never expect to sway anyone and I don’t give a crap what you think of me I just want everyone to think beyond what THEY want, consider all views.

True freedom isn’t something your government gives you, it’s inside you. If someone takes my guns and bows I’ll whittle a sharp stick and throw rocks. You need to watch Braveheart. William Wallace is the man!

You guys are hilarious. Four or five responses feeding off the anger of the previous response before I can respond. Herd mentality at it’s finest.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12630

You say and suggest all this as an NRA member, I suggest you talk to folks that don’t own guns. Ask their opinion of the NRA. I also suggest you read something other than NRA literature. I am aware of all the programs you mentioned.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12603

Brother, you sure can twist some thoughts(my thoughts) together to make your point.

Read all the posts, some of the first words I put on this post had to do with not supporting gun rights at the expense of environmental issues.

No where did I blame The NRA for Katrina, that is completly asanine. But if you don’t think the NRA is in bed with the republicans you are dillusional.

The NRA has strayed from its stated mission of protecting gun rights, they are a republican party fund raiser. I have a very big problem with the way republicans have handled A: environmental issues,and B: economic issues.

Republicans are (for the most part) about unrestrained/irresponsible capitalism. Remember the “Drill here drill now!!” response to our high fuel prices. Who was preaching this message? Republicans, no doubt backed by big oil money.

The NRA supports anyone that supports gun rights, even if that person supports bad environmental or economic practices. If my money supports the NRA and they support that candidate doesn’t that make me a defacto supporter of that candidate?

I try to think a little past my trigger finger on these things.

The NRA needs to quit drawing party lines. They need to educate not bully. They need to stay out of issues that don’t concern gun rights. They need to teach gun owners how to educate. And please, gun owners, if you carry a sidearm, don’t wear it to a presidential speaking carrying a sign contemplating the need to kill tyrants. It only causes more problems.

One last thought, the fact that Ted Nugent sits on their board should speak volumes.

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12480

Actually my New Orleans reference speaks to the heart of the matter, are you willing to fight for your guns at the expense of everything else.

Like it or not when dealing with the NRA it comes down to Dem vs Repub, thats kind of my point, it should be about gun rights, period.

I think you are going to offend a lot of people with that last sentence. The facts are that the damage could have been much less severe had the wetlands been in their natural state. The responsibility for the loss of the wetlands doesn’t rest only on the shoulders of the residents of New Orleans

I live in tornado alley, am I also foolish?

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12417

Never said I agreed with the extremists and I stated the obvious because you dismissed enviromental concerns as being “short sighted”. I thought maybe we needed to get our priorities straight as to what was most important.

Your correct, gun rights and conservation are not polar opposites but it does come down to partisan politics and any support to the NRA inevitably supports a republican candidate. Do you really want to discuss the horrible track record republicans have regarding enviroment vs. capitalism at all costs?

I don’t understand what you are trying to say with the last two sentences in your post. I hope you aren’t trying to say I don’t agree with the second amendment.

Speaking of New Orleans, if you will do a little research you will find that Katrina was so destructive to that city because the wetlands, a buffer to huge storms like that one for centuries, has been decimated due to our lack of attention to environmental issues. No storm rampaging through, no need to take any guns away. I believe that’s a view of the big picture.

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