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in reply to: Music to "fall" For #16269
Well shucks, Scout stole my thunder. Alex is the man to set the proper mood for a day of meditative hunting. But I’m still waiting for him to make the keyboard bugle like I can do on my native American flute. Maybe we should play a due to the wapiti? :P:lol:
in reply to: THE WEAK LINK #15519Is it possible the adapter’s that have bent weren’t screwed in tight?
in reply to: THE WEAK LINK #15104This is a really interesting discussion and I wish Ed Ashby could wade in with his experience and thoughts (apparently still laid up from most recent surgery). I have never experienced any such problems, so far as I can recall. I’ve broken and bent broadheads (the old-school thinner softer variety). With wood shafts of course I’ve had many breaks behind the head. And with carbon in a couple of cases the insert has broken out of the side of the shaft end, that is the carbon failed, though insert and head remained undamaged. From a purely amateurish “engineering” point of view it seems really strange that even a soft steel threaded shank would bend before the carbon that holds it would split. The whole idea, top to bottom, for encouraging folks to follow Ashby’s study findings is to do all we can to totally eliminate equipment failure as a source of wounded and lost game. So to have manufacturers of these components selling suppliers lame cheap steel for a primary component is absolutely unacceptable. I would love to see 3Rivers and all such do some serious stress testing on the internals they are being sold and in turn selling to us, and be able to offer some assurance of adequate steel quality and hardness that we can trust.
in reply to: All-wood bows: let's see 'em #12841Troy — Indeed, the irony had occurred to me. 😆
in reply to: Anyone eat coyote? #12039No, I’ve never eaten coyote … but I’ve eaten an awful lot of crow!
in reply to: All-wood bows: let's see 'em #12030Alex — I’ll exclusively hunt elk with my osage selfbow (built by Clay Hayes, not me) this year, if you’ll hunt with yours. It’s a dare! As if it’s not hard enough already. 😆
Troy– I am speechless. (Well, almost.) So many beauties! I really like what appears to be odd wood grain on the left bow in the top pic (second from left in second pic). Is that grain or something you did?
But you know, that many wood bows sitting around presents a huge fire risk; I’ll be if your home-owners insurance provider knew about them, your rates would go up. But more worrisome to me is that hoarding is a serious, very serious, mental illness. For your own psychological good my generous nature prompts me to suggest that you find personal salvation by sending a bunch of those suckers to me! :P:lol: Quick!
in reply to: PLAYIN' 'ROUND W/FOC #11865Hi Mhay — That sounds like a fun experiment you conducted there and no good reason not to use it for hunting. But of course I have a couple of “howevers” to offer for your consideration. First, you don’t really need 838 grain arrows for anything in N.A. except maybe bison. My goal for elk arrows is around 750 and they range from just over 700 to just over 800. So while it doesn’t hurt to shoot excessively heavy arrows within typical trad bow range, neither does it hurt to get the arrows some lighter in order to up the FOC, which you don’t mention in your post. In sum: 650 total weight is what Ashby’s research shows as a bottom line to radically increase chances of shooting through heavy bone and still having enough umph left to get enough penetration for a clean kill (assuming of course a sturdy broadhead). Beyond that, unless you’re going after bison, you’ll probably gain more penetration by upping FOC rather than overall weight. And you do that with a light shaft and heavy head. My second “however” is that while your bullet internal is really clever, I always encourage folks to get the front weight with heavy broadheads and internals. Why use flimsy aluminum internals (screw-in adaptors and inserts) and a light flimsy broadhead then have to insert lead or such to gain front-end weight? IMHO the most lethal and toughest and best designed head around today is the Tuffhead, which you can buy up to 300 as a glue-on. There are other heavy heads too. With brass or steel screw-in adapters and/or brass or steel inserts, you can get way more weight than you’ll ever need up front while at the same time greatly strengthening this most vulnerable part of a shaft: where head connects to shaft. Unfortunately anything but alum inserts for alum shafts are hard to find and only then in a couple of sizes. IMHO ..
in reply to: All-wood bows: let's see 'em #11661This one, same bow, is 60″ and 54#
I don’t know OL Adcock well, but did visit his home a few years ago when Ed Ashby was recuperating there after major surgeries. He showed me the prototype though I didn’t shoot it. There are two ways of looking at a bow like this: traditionally/aesthetically and technologically. So far as I know it is easily the fastest “traditional” bow on the market, with a price to match. Aesthetically I doesn’t speak to me. And the price is even higher than a top-end Black Widow, which is the most pricey line I’m aware of. So, if max speed is a shooter’s goal and money no problem, it can’t be beat so far as I know. But if you’re looking for a bow that “speaks” to you from a traditional standpoint, this may not be it. On the other hand, rocket science speaks poetically to some folks (eh, SG?) so it comes down to a personal choice. I would never want to own one but I’d sure love to shoot one. And who’s to say that a stick-and-string bow that can blast an 800 grain arrow at some 180 fps (I’m guess-timating here, based on the reported top speeds well above 200) is not in itself a work of art and beauty? But at 20 yards I just don’t need that sort of pop. That’s all I know about it and probably more than I know.
in reply to: Bare shaft practice #11032Alex, you must be cheating! :P:lol: And yet you let a nice bull walk by at, what, 12 yards I think. You could have drilled him coming and going, with or without fletchings. Oh well, you’re still young and will likely have another chance. 😀
in reply to: weight / foc #9971Wahoo — If you’re only hunting deer, small hogs, etc. I think you’re fine with the 530 setup that “shoots like darts” and has EFOC, assuming you are fronted with a good two-blade head. I am likely abusing Dr. Ashby’s study results which refer to 650 as minimal to assure busting through the “heavy bone threshold” (and that, again, assumes a broadhead that can handle the shock without breaking or badly dulling), but I view it as a minimum not for deer but for elk and similarly big, heavy-bodied and very heavy-boned game. I personally don’t shoot anything much under 700 even for turkey, but it’s in large part because heavy arrows fly so well and I’m so used to shooting them. I would love it if Ed could drop in on this thread and straighten us out, but he’s surgery-wounded in one arm and off the air for a while, last I heard. Anyhow, if you’re tired of messing with it and have good shooters at 530 and won’t be hunting anything bigger than deer and have the right broadheads and EFOC … I’d just relax and go hunting. I personally wouldn’t touch weight tubes if someone offered to pay me … just one step too much in complicating things, when I can get all the weight I’ll ever need from broadheads like the Tuffhead 300, which can be further beefed-up with heavy steel or brass adapters and inserts. Now, with all that said, my preference and usual advice is to get the 650 weight first and then worry about FOC. It’s really easy to have both with carbon arrows. But it sounds like you’re burning out on the quest and thus I say you’re probably OK as you are. For deer anyhow …
in reply to: The War of Arrows…. Great movie! #9960Alex (and other friends) — Oops, I was way off. This is not the film I tried watching and could not. While this one doesn’t, for me, start off real strong, as it goes along it gets increasingly better and is pretty good even aside from the great battle scenes. I’m now almost halfway through (watching on the office computer, which isn’t ideal but OK) and really into it, and the best parts, apparently, are yet to come. Time now to shut down for some nightly reading but I look forward to finishing it tomorrow. Thanks for the tip.
in reply to: The War of Arrows…. Great movie! #9743OK, I’ll try it again. If you have Netflix it’s available as an instant watch.
in reply to: The War of Arrows…. Great movie! #9416Sorry Alex. We tried watching it some time ago, after someone else here recommended it. We made it maybe 10 minutes. Just found the acting/directing awful. I wanted to fast-forward through it to get the archery scenes, but Caroline nixed that. I look forward to other votes here … and am not above another try.
in reply to: New Bow Arrived! #8695Etter — A new bow is like new love … it may last a lifetime or only a few nights … but either way new it’s new (even if it’s used, so long as it’s new to you) and sure is fun while it lasts! 😀 I can think of very few things better than a new bow … well, only one thing in fact! … enjoy!
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