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in reply to: Interesting article #30578
Great article thanks for posting.
in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #40666ausjim wrote: Joe that is a great idea. Perhaps you could start a thread in here asking people for their set ups. I’d love to see the list of great arrows that would be made by members of this site!
Jim
JIM Thanks, I have to give it some thought….Thinking of a set of questions or a form that could be copied and pasted on to the next reply. I am open to ideas on how to do it. Like you I think it would be referenced often.
Would need type of bow recurve or longbow
Bow weight
Archers draw length
Type of arrow ..wood ,al. Or carbon
Brand of arrow
Spine of arrow
Length of shaft
Length and height of feather
Weight of arrow insert
Weight of adaptor
Weight of point
Total weight of arrow
AMO calculated percent of FOC
I am sure there is other information that is needed that I left out.
in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #39787[quote=kingwouldbe]I like this right now, Tuffhead 300 with 100gr steel adaptor, 4″ of 2117, 4″ rap & 4×2 A&A flitch, 730grain total arrow.[/quote[b]
KING[/b] What brand and spine is the shaft. I am trying to compile stats on different shafts and complete set ups.I have calls from archers who want to switch to FOC arrows but do not know where to start. This information sometimes helps as a starting point.
One time I thought about getting arrow shaft test kits. Troy helped me trying to get set up. The original purchase of arrows to make kits was almost four thousand dollars. I figured I could not cover the complete spectrum and would not have the kit some one wanted . (LIke shoes the store never has the right size) That ,cost and to many other things to do killed that idea:D Collecting arrow specs is easier and cheaper.:lol:
in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #39208kingwouldbe wrote: oh’ Dave, I’m out side the box by a long ways, I been playing with so many different set ups I cant keep track, got to start writing this stuff down, cus I will change it, and forget where I was, and start over.
Joe, I been playing with 55#, 58# 60# & 67# bows with 450, 600, 630, 680, 700, 730 & 800 grain arrows with maxed out EFOC of about 32%
I have to confess the 800’rds out of a tree stand are like smoke with a point, ZERO noise, nothing, nata. I like.
However, 800s down range to far and she starts to rainbow through the sky….lol, but for up close she is the bomb, I can hit out to 40-45 yards.
I think Ron over @ KME has drank the Kool-Aid, he said something about 40% UEFOC, with a 750 grain arrow, have to call him back.
Hey Doc, & Troy, cant seem to get my bare shafts to fly…………lol
KINGYou have to visit this site every once in a while just to get grounded. No where else does a person have to put up with so much harassment.:D
We have discussed your lighter set up before. I am just jealous because I can’t hit the barn beyond 25 yards.:lol:
Ron has turned into a mad scientist he doing things with arrows I could only dream about.:D
in reply to: NO MEATHEADS yet? #38633Smithhammer wrote: [quote=Steve Sr.]Half out of the saddle still…..maybe more than that, my trad urges won’t rest.
For those recalling my few posts, I’m still kicking. Just not too high but thankful none the less.
Good to hear from you again, Steve! Don’t be a stranger. 😀
Joe – any plans for a screw-in version of the Meathead?
SMITHHAMMER
No Sorry!
in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #38601King, good to see you are still in the hog busines:lol:
Nice picture congratulations!
Great results from that puny arrow you are shooting:D As good as your release is you could take the feathers off and get up into EUFOC 😆 May be get the arrow weight up over 650. Didn’t Ed teach you any thing:lol:
in reply to: NO MEATHEADS yet? #38545Steve. boy it is nice to see you post. I have been thinking about you but hesitated to bug you with emails. Things are improving for you or you would not be posting.I am so glad.:D Don’t be a stranger here.Hope to see more of you. I have missed your thoughtful comments
PM me if you find time and feel like chatting.
in reply to: So nice to visit the campfire… #37379SMITHHAMMER I love that picture I am amazed that could be posted.That is two days in a row you captivated me by your pictures. Now if you could combine the fire with the bottle of rye you would be a genius :D:D
in reply to: What ya got goin? #34868SMITHHAMMER Those pictures are great I bet that was a fun trip.
That Mosco Mule looked very interesting.I had to check it out. Found this recipe on OPRAH.com….What kind of bar did you say that was??:D:lol:
Servings: Serves 1
Ingredients
1 ounce vodka
1 tsp. sugar syrup
Fresh lime juice
1/2 cup ginger beer
1 sprig fresh mint
1 slice of lime
Directions
In a copper mug, pour vodka over ice. Add sugar syrup and lime juice. Top with ginger beer and stir. Garnish with mint sprig and lime slice.
Read more: http://www.oprah.com/food/Moscow-Mule-Recipe_1#ixzz2SZYEC7hM
Maybe Robin can use this as the tip of the week:D
in reply to: Question For Troy & Dr. ED? #33569SMILEY Great information hope you got your order in enough time to experiment before your bear hunt. Good hunting!
Your mention of A&A fletching has prompted me to add my thoughts.
Ed, again you are proven right!!!! Since your seminar at P & Y on FOC you got me tinkering again . Not that I doubt you but you know “trust and verify”.:D
I thought I had a go to arrow that I was completely satisfied with but you got me thinking about feathers and their effects on FOC. That paper clip demonstration really impressed me.( For those that have not seen this demonstration by adding and subtracting paper clips for weight to the arrow tip and trailing end Dr Ashby is able to demonstrate how weight distribution effects FOC) .
I have always used 5.5 parabolic feathers and had not bought into the” teeny weenie “ feather concept until now. (this what you call coming out of the stone age ):oops:
My “go to” arrow is a Heritage 250 at 29.5 total length… 100 grain insert …75 grain grade 5 titanium adaptor….300 grain TuffHead…..and 2 inch external aluminum footing @ 25 grains for a total weight up front of 500 grains.
The total arrow weight is 789 grains with the 5.5 inch feathers…..The balance point for FOC is 5.5 inches from front of arrow. The AMO method of calculating FOC shows 31.00 % I was really happy with this.
My eyes and mind were really opened by your discussion of the A & A fletch. (what is the saying “”the mind is like a parachute it is only good if it opens” ) I REPLACED THE 5.5 FEATHERS WITH 2” A & A FLETCH WHICH CHANGED THE BALANCE POINT OF THE ARROW TO 5’’ A WHOLE ½ INCH REDUCTION IN LENGTH FROM BALANCE TO ARROW TIP AND AN INCREASE IN UEFOC TO 33 %. THAT WAS AN EASY 2 % INCREASE . My new total arrow weight is 776 grains. I shoot a 55 lb. longbow. I am becoming a true believer.:D
I still have to shoot the arrow with a broadhead under different wind conditions,as you suggest,to make sure the arrow stabilizes . The bare shat shoots almost perfectly without feathers under calm conditions (Thanks Troy for the easy to follow instructions ):idea: so I am now becoming enthusiastic about A & A FLETCHING especially as I can see the results in increased FOC.
DR.ED those years you spent in the bush experimenting and the time you dedicated to documenting the results of your tests are benefiting more and more archers every day. THANK YOU
in reply to: help w/ building tuffhead foc arrow #31309[quote=Troy Breeding]Good catch Ed. Guess my fingers weren’t able to keep up with the ol’ hair covered computer.:D
Troy[/quote
Troy I didn’t think that old computer had any hair that’s why it is always covered with a hat……Hat/hair what is the difference.The main thing it is protected with a cover:D
in reply to: EFOC at Pope and Young #17987jpcarlson wrote: Do you have the video up on your site yet? I went looking around on it but didn’t find it.
Let us know, I am anxious to see it!
Regards,
JPC
JPC[/b]
Sorry it is not even downloaded from the camera yet. Hoping to get that done this week .It will be a while after that ,that the web guy gets it done. I recorded Ed’s voice .It has to be matched up with his power point presentation and the video portion of the demonstrations.
I have no estimate of time to get this done. It will be worth the effort though as the seminar was excellent.
When it is on the web site I will post to let people know.
JPC thanks for your interest
in reply to: EFOC at Pope and Young #11331Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: The EFOC presentation at Pope and Young went extremely well, and it was very well received. We ARE making headway in getting folks to understand AND USE EFOC/UEFOC arrow setups. I was amazed at the number of folks already using them, and seeking more information about them.
Ed
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I had the oprotunity to attend Dr Ashbys seminar and it was fantastic. As Ed I was supervised at the number of mechinacial bow shooters that had a interest in the concepts of FOC. This was encouraging for the potential reduction of wounding and recovery rates for archery hunted game.
I had the oprotunity to record the seminar .Ed was gracious enough to repeat demonstrations after the seminar so I could video them. As usual I had trouble potographing the first time around.:oops: and that was before we discused FOC over Wild Turkey 101 and Tullamore Dew Irish whiskey 😆
Hope to have the seminar recording posted on the web site in coming weeks/months:)
in reply to: THE WEAK LINK #17391Great response! Good input!
DAVE: Steve had mentioned that his broad head and adapter were tight against the arrow insert. That was also was my observation after hitting a White Tail high from a tree stand .The arrow hit bone the adapter was bent,the broad head and adapter were tight in the insert,and the buck went on doing what bucks do during the rut.:D.Your thought was logical but evidently not true in all bent adapter experiences.
STEVE and MUNSTERMAN Hardness probably is a contributing factor I agree with Munsterman hardening of adapters probably won’t get done .
The other question is how hard is desirable .To hard the adapter might break instead of bending.:(
in reply to: Music to "fall" For #15515AlexBugnon wrote: I personally can’t get in hunting mode with any other music other than silence
ALEX, WELL SAID 😀
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