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in reply to: Where do you get your tradional supplies from #19266

ToddRvs wrote: [quote=Duncan]3 Rivers Archery has good customer service. Bass Pro has a few traditional items. There are others you can find with a google search.

i have tried a few from google search most don’t even know the difference between a recurve and longbow. I have used 3 rivers before they are good but ship very slowly.

Three Rivers Archery has always shipped very quickly to me and never had anything out of stock that I ordered. I can recommend them.

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in reply to: Recurve or longbow your choice and why? #41899

Wolf Among Dogs wrote: I shoot my recurves more but I do like the feel of the longbow. I have 6 LBs and 9 recurves. I guess its just good to have choices!

Gee if I had that many choices I think I’d spend more time trying to decide what bow to shoot than actually shooting. 😕
I envy you though.

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in reply to: Killed my first double… #37746

Jesse Minish wrote: Congrats! Grouse are a ton of fun to hunt.

Great job! We have grouse here in south/central Vermont and they are very hard to hunt with a bow, I would feel lucky to bag one in a whole season let alone a double. That’s good hunting and shooting. Go get some more!:o

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in reply to: Recurve or longbow your choice and why? #33309

Ron Vaughn wrote: [quote=vermonter1]:?:[quote=Ron Vaughn]I started shooting a recurve in 1959, and was taught to use a “high wrist” grip. It has worked well for me over the many years. When I attempt to shoot a longbow, I struggle with the grip because the handle design of the longbows do not lend themselves to the “high wrist” concept. Consequently, the recurve is my choice.

Ron

Actually I was kicking around the idea of using a high wrist grip reasoning that with my naturally short draw length of 25.5″ it may give me a little longer draw lenth and allow me use a longer and thus a heavier arrow. I just don’t hear much about using a high wrist so was reluctant to go that route. ❓ I was thinking of taking one of my bows and trying to build up the grip with tape, leather or rubber to simulate the high wrist. What to you think?

Responce to Vermonter1,

Building up your grip with tape or rubber may give you the desired affect of a high wrist grip, however, I noticed in the latest “3 Rivers Archery” catalog, they advertise the low, standard, and high wrist poly grips for the Dalaa bows. Perhaps attaching one of the high wrist models to your bow may give you a good solid grip. The high wrist grip runs $40.

I believe using a high wrist grip does give you a little longer draw length plus I don’t have any “torque” problems with my grip. Much less contact is made on the bow handle with the high wrist grip. My arms are not long, but I draw 29.5 inches because of the high wrist grip and having an anchor point slightly back farther than the corner of my mouth.

Ron, thanks for the insight on the high wrist grip. I am definitely going to experiment with a high wrist grip right after the deer seasons end (middle of December here in Vermont.

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in reply to: Recurve or longbow your choice and why? #28890

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Ron Vaughn wrote: I started shooting a recurve in 1959, and was taught to use a “high wrist” grip. It has worked well for me over the many years. When I attempt to shoot a longbow, I struggle with the grip because the handle design of the longbows do not lend themselves to the “high wrist” concept. Consequently, the recurve is my choice.

Ron

Actually I was kicking around the idea of using a high wrist grip reasoning that with my naturally short draw length of 25.5″ it may give me a little longer draw lenth and allow me use a longer and thus a heavier arrow. I just don’t hear much about using a high wrist so was reluctant to go that route. ❓ I was thinking of taking one of my bows and trying to build up the grip with tape, leather or rubber to simulate the high wrist. What to you think?

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in reply to: Arrow confused #25360

SteveMcD wrote: I’ve read the Dr. Ashby studies. As a financial analyst I know miracles can be worked with numbers! As they say, statistics don’t lie but you can lie with numbers.

NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM DR. ASHBY. His studies are very controlled and very informational. Extremely useful. But, I am the same way.

Give me a shaft with the correct spine, decent fletch and a heavy broadhead and I will tune it and be happy. Proof sometimes ignorance is Bliss.:D

Dido. With limited time and money I started bare shaft tuning with what I had around and could afford, I only have a 25.5″ draw and 48#’s but the arrows fly without wobble and penetration was adequate as I had complete penetration on an average sized whitetail with-yes, 28″ 1816’s and 125 grn. magnus 2-blade heads shot out of a mid 1970’s Bear Kodiak Hunter. I will strive to get a better and heavier arrow but can’t get too bogged down with a mountain of data right now.

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in reply to: Please introduce yourselves, I'll start #25349

TKO wrote: My name is Tom O’Brien. TKO are my initials. (My Grandfather was a boxing fan) I have been married for 14 years to my version of the perfect girl. Taryn and I have 2 sons. Ethan, age 6 and Michael, age 2. I got into archery (compounds)in 1986 or 1987 and even worked in a pro shop in Sarasota, Fl for several years. I just started shooting traditional a couple months ago after almost a decade long break. My brother and I decided to give it a try and we were both quickly hooked. My 6 year old son Ethan also loves to shoot with us. Although I am an embarrassingly poor example of one, I too am a Christian. I am trying however. I currently live in El Dorado, Kansas but we are thinking of a possible move to Idaho in the next couple years. I love hunting, fishing, camping and just about any shooting sports. I also enjoy expedition type off roading. I like building dual purpose, off road vehicles. I like to build and ride custom, one off choppers (motorcycles).

Anyway, in a very condensed nut shell, that’s me.

TKO- welcome, it is good to see another tech convert gravitate this way. I have never been to Kansas or Idaho for that matter but hope to in my retirement which is (well the way the economy is I think I have a better chance of tagging an wide racked albino mulie in Vermont) none too soon. Good luck with your traditional persuits. Dale

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in reply to: Please introduce yourselves, I'll start #17880

blade wrote: My name is Tim,I live in S.E.PA with my beautiful wife and i have been shooting a bow for 29 years.Mostly compounds but have really fell in love with shooting a longbow last year and now love traditional archery.This is my first year hunting with my longbow and i am loving it.

Welcome Tim, I know the feeling, if we’re not careful I think it may come to define us.
Dale from Vermont

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in reply to: Please introduce yourselves, I'll start #17877

David Petersen wrote: Vermonter1 — few have said it nearly as well in many more words! Great to have you here. dave

Thanks Dave, I have your “A Hunter’s Heart”, A great collection of essays in a superb presentation that I have recommended to many people (not just hunters). I look forward to reading some of your other publications.
Dale

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in reply to: Please introduce yourselves, I'll start #17800

Greetings,
Dale from Ascutney,VT where the deer are scarce and traditional bowhunters seem to be even more so. My 1st year of going totally traditional with my bows and enjoy the freedom so much that I’m sure I will never switch back. I never practiced on the way into the woods with my compound bow (felt there was no need to). Traditional is so much more fun Period.

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in reply to: Recurve or longbow your choice and why? #17785

donthomas wrote: This is what psychologists call an “approach-approach” conflict–ie., the anxiety that arouses when a subject is forced to choose between two equally attractive choices. I solve the problem the simple way: by shooting both. (In fact, I have a piece on this issue coming up shortly in the magazine). I love both, and have learned to go back and forth according to the demands of particular hunting situations. One fact needs to be addressed though: the prevailing assumption that the longbow is more “traditional”. In fact, the Asiatic horse tribes were using curved, composite bows (the forerunners of the modern recurve) long before the development of the English yew longbow (in turn, the forerunner of what we know as the longbow today). Cheers, Don

Thanks Don for the input on “longbows being more traditional or vice versa. I made the switch this year to traditional bows although I have been shooting recurves part-time for years. I like hunting with the recurves very much. But.. am experiencing some self imposed pressure to go to longbows, partly because [I believed that they were a more “traditional” style, and partly because I long for a truly quiet bow. I can’t really afford another bow right now so thanks for helping to pacify me, at least temporarily, I will be more content with my recurves.

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in reply to: Vanilla Cover Scent tip #17762

George D. Stout wrote: Folks used it quite a bit back in the early 70’s, and there was actually a brand that used the vanilla smell, but I can’t recall the name. Vanilla is kind of a neutral odor and like anise, or mint is somewhat an attractant. I’ve used a lot of natural stuff over the years to good effect. I have even used cloves and allspice to help cover human odor.

Back in the 70’s I used a commercial product called “Cover-Up” that was mostly of Vanilla. Can’t say that I was ever aware of it spooking the deer but never could be sure it worked in a positive way either. These days I do not use cover scents, I simply think if the wind is wrong I’m probably going to be had no matter.

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in reply to: Should Traditional bowhunting be more mainstream? #11088

makesmoosecry wrote: Gentlemen, I would like your opinions. Would you like to see our beloved pastime (Traditional Bowhunting) be more mainstream? Or keep it a little less in the spotlight? Personally i prefer the latter. Although i want it to remain strong, both for the industries who manufacture the products we perchase and for our youngones.. the future traditional bowhunters.

Although it my first reaction to this is that it would be great for all bowhunters to adopt our ways and methods, I think many of us would have to find a new and tougher method of hunting if this were to happen. I would certainly keep shooting my bows but I think I would start practicing the art of spear throwing. I think alot of us just don’t want to do it the way every one else does. My 2 cents.

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in reply to: Four wheelers… #64060

vermonter1 wrote: [quote=David Petersen]You got it, Fallguy: an increasingly soft-bellied nation, laziness and relentless advertising by the motorhead industry all work together to have made ATVs a “required” part of “modern” hunting in America.

Last Saturday, my friend Dave Sigurslid killed a 4×4 bull elk some 2 miles and a thousand vertical feet above the truck. Working together we had it quartered, boned and bagged in 1.5 hours, having brought everything we’d need for success in our hunting packs. We then spent the rest of daylight packing it out (4 hours), mostly downhill but very convoluted mountain terrain with thick brush, rocky ground and tons of blowdown timber. We did it all in one long go by leapfrogging two loads each. I carried my pack and Dave’s strapped on top plus antlers, and he hauled what we later learned was 91 pounds on a small frame pack. We’d go a quarter-mile or so, drop the packs, walk back up and each sling a game bag, each with a full boned ham, about 40 pounds each, over a shoulder and take it down past the packs, and so on, over and over. You couldn’t even have gotten an ATV anywhere near there. And to walk down and get a horse, even if we had access to one, seems like more work than what we did. I am 64 and skinny with arthritis. Doc Dave is 61 with a surgically fused spine and asthma. We are of course braggishly proud of what we did … and what kind of pride does using an ATV to do all the work bring? Four years ago Alex Bugnon and I hauled out his cow elk in one load, about a mile, with no packs but only game bags, some 70 pounds each, Santa Claus style. It hurt but it worked and it made us stronger in the doing, not weaker. Bottom line IMHO, whether a whole deer or elk parts, if you aren’t prepared to get your meat out from a place by muscle power, you shouldn’t be hunting in that place. dp

Dave, I couldn’t agree with you more, if you are not prepared to haul out your meat from the place you are hunting then you probably should not be hunting there.
I’m only 57 but had a botched back operation several years ago. Then in June of 09 I went off a roof at work and got busted up pretty bad. In October of that year I took my deer off the mountain over a mile in the dark trying to find the trail that I knew was there somewhere. I don’t mind telling you it hurt! This year I took my deer out 1 /3 miles in the dark but with a bit of help. It seems like each year I end up trying to get back in further to find the solitude I seek (Vermont is a small state).
The bottom line (for me anyway) seems to be… If there is no element of adventure in the hunt, it’s really not that much worthwile. IMO Not 1/3 miles, I meant 1 1/3 miles.

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in reply to: Four wheelers… #64058

David Petersen wrote: You got it, Fallguy: an increasingly soft-bellied nation, laziness and relentless advertising by the motorhead industry all work together to have made ATVs a “required” part of “modern” hunting in America.

Last Saturday, my friend Dave Sigurslid killed a 4×4 bull elk some 2 miles and a thousand vertical feet above the truck. Working together we had it quartered, boned and bagged in 1.5 hours, having brought everything we’d need for success in our hunting packs. We then spent the rest of daylight packing it out (4 hours), mostly downhill but very convoluted mountain terrain with thick brush, rocky ground and tons of blowdown timber. We did it all in one long go by leapfrogging two loads each. I carried my pack and Dave’s strapped on top plus antlers, and he hauled what we later learned was 91 pounds on a small frame pack. We’d go a quarter-mile or so, drop the packs, walk back up and each sling a game bag, each with a full boned ham, about 40 pounds each, over a shoulder and take it down past the packs, and so on, over and over. You couldn’t even have gotten an ATV anywhere near there. And to walk down and get a horse, even if we had access to one, seems like more work than what we did. I am 64 and skinny with arthritis. Doc Dave is 61 with a surgically fused spine and asthma. We are of course braggishly proud of what we did … and what kind of pride does using an ATV to do all the work bring? Four years ago Alex Bugnon and I hauled out his cow elk in one load, about a mile, with no packs but only game bags, some 70 pounds each, Santa Claus style. It hurt but it worked and it made us stronger in the doing, not weaker. Bottom line IMHO, whether a whole deer or elk parts, if you aren’t prepared to get your meat out from a place by muscle power, you shouldn’t be hunting in that place. dp

Dave, I couldn’t agree with you more, if you are not prepared to haul out your meat from the place you are hunting then you probably should not be hunting there.
I’m only 57 but had a botched back operation several years ago. Then in June of 09 I went off a roof at work and got busted up pretty bad. In October of that year I took my deer off the mountain over a mile in the dark trying to find the trail that I knew was there somewhere. I don’t mind telling you it hurt! This year I took my deer out 1 /3 miles in the dark but with a bit of help. It seems like each year I end up trying to get back in further to find the solitude I seek (Vermont is a small state).
The bottom line (for me anyway) seems to be… If there is no element of adventure in the hunt, it’s really not that much worthwile. IMO

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