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in reply to: EFOC with Wood? #43763

Fletcher wrote: For sure, Sorno. The bow is a 54 lb @ 26″ Pronghorn TD longbow cut about 1/8″ out from center. It normally shoots a tapered 50-54 lb fir shaft, 28″ with a 160 gr point. My EFOC arrows are lightweight tapered 70 lb spine sitka spruce shafts, 28″ BOP with 50 grains of lead wire up the nose and a 190 gr VPA Terminator 3 blade. Total arrow weight is 610-620 grains. I could have tuned to a 27″ arrow by dropping a few lbs spine and picked up a bit more FOC.

Wood arrows are more FOC limited than carbon and maybe even aluminum, but you can usually pick up a fair bit. Long arrows and high draw weights add to the limitations.

What are your regular arrow specs?

Thanks Rick! That gives me something to work with.

I’m shooting a 54# @ 28 Black Widow SA. I draw to 28, so needing a 29-29.5″ arrow is going to limit me somewhat. Also, w/ the bow being cut past center, I need a stiffer arrow than just the draw weight alone would predict. I am new to this and I have a whole conglomeration of shafts that I shoot into targets. Some extra heavy barrel tapered hickories, some heavier POC, some lighter POC, you know, pretty much anything I could find to try my new fletching tool on for a while… For hunting, I currently shoot a 70# parallel POC w/ a 145 gr. Eclipse head. The total arrow weight on those is comparable to your FOC set up. I do need to explore into the fir and spruce arenas.
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in reply to: EFOC with Wood? #42686

Fletcher wrote: EFOC is quite doable with wood arrows, you just need to figure for it… I have wood arrows for my 54 lb longbow that weigh around 610 grains, have 21% FOC that paper tune and shoot great. Yes, it can be done.
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Hey Rick,
Would you mind sharing that ‘formula’ for your arrow? I also shoot a 54# bow and just can’t seem to find a wood shaft light enough (but w/ heavy enough spine) to make the numbers work…
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in reply to: Veterans Day #22910

Count as mine at least 6 of those 46 views…sometimes I cant come up with the words to thank someone for something so important. I mean, for me to simply write a two-word response of ‘thank you’ seems wholly inadequate. I apologize for my tardiness, but have intended some sort of profound response for a couple days now…then my computer took a dive and I had to steal my kid’s computer to respond now.
We’re off to the Veteran’s Day parade in a couple hours to thank some of the local Vets for their service (Korean War Vets are the Grand Marshals). But to the Vets who are members and guests on this site, my most sincere thanks and appreciation goes out to you.
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in reply to: Please introduce yourselves, I'll start #18915

I guess maybe I should add to this list…

My name is Kent Sorenson – ‘Sorno’ became the nickname I have carried for years. I’m beginning my walk through ‘traditional’ archery later in life…47 and counting now. I just like the simplicity (or complexity, depending on your point of view, I guess) of the stick and the string. I’m enthused enough at the prospect of killing a critter for the table, but, uh, ‘seasoned’ enough to want to accomplish it in my own way. I’ve killed plenty, but have to admit that the actual kill was usually the least memorable part of my hunts. Now I find myself striving for additional memorable circumstances leading up to the possibility of loosing an arrow, hence the trek into traditional gear. Besides, it’s so elegant to be able to drill a target without the aid of sights, range finders, pulleys, releases and an assortment of other gadgets ad infinatum. I will not judge others for pursuing their game with more modern equipment (in fact, many of my friends do), but it’s just not for me. I’m not a classic trophy hunter (antler measurements have never enhanced the flavor of a backstrap in my opinion), but have bumbled into some dandy specimens. I love living in the west but as of late I find myself longing for a Minnesota whitetail hunt on my Dad’s farm. I enjoy small game hunting as much as chasing hooved mammals and thoroughly enjoy punching holes in paper. My God and Saviour, my wife and my kids mean everything to me and occasionally the family will accompany me on my pursuits…much to my delight. I also have an angling addiction and pursue tiger muskies here locally most of the year.

And to those of you who fly helicopters…a good friend of mine who survived a couple of tours as a door gunner once described them as “7000 moving parts working against each other to produce flight”…so you understand you have my utmost respect!
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in reply to: Should Traditional bowhunting be more mainstream? #12137

I’m not so sure I’d care if it was mainstream, midstream or beside the stream. I shoot a recurve because it’s fun, not because it sets me apart from some and draws me closer to others. It’s effective at the ranges at which I’m comfortable, and as simple or as complex as I care to make it.
But I’d be lying if I said that I don’t generally enjoy the company of other who choose similar gear. But there’s good folks most everywhere if you care to look around.
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in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #55777

As much as I find it personally distasteful to read ‘the ones that got away’ stories, I force myself to. Sometimes it’s bad decisions, sometimes lack of preparation, sometimes inadequate gear, etc. But in any case, I’d much rather learn from the mistakes made by someone else and read the suggestions on how to remedy the shortcomings rather than have to live through it myself…
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in reply to: Arrow shafting?? #32788

David Yukon wrote: Thank you guys.
With wooden shaft, do you have a hard time finding shaft heavy anought for hunting?

I’ve not experienced finding a shaft not heavy enough but you do seem to lose a little of the flexibility with regard to where you want the weight to be. It’s hard to enter the high FOC percentages with a stout wood shaft. I’ve shot cedars, some kind of laminated (I think fir) shaft and now just put together some barrel-tapered hickories. All ended up being more than enough weight to hunt with, but the FOC was often in the 10% range. I love wood shafts so far and I think my next set will be from that biased guy who posted earlier 😆
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in reply to: Need some help with arrows… #20470

Wildschwein wrote: I can screw in some 200 grain tips and I am good to go :D!

It depends on how you define ‘good to go’…

Since your ballistic computer (brain) is calibrated as accurate out to 30 yards with your existing setup, you will need to re-define what your new max distance is with your new one. A heavier arrow pushed by a bow with less draw weight will drastically change your trajectory past about 15 yards, maybe closer.

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in reply to: can anyone recommend good trad shop out west #54793

droptine59 wrote: Buddy of mine is doing a road trip… from Maryland.. headed to Yellowstone and following the divide south thru the Tetons and points south=> the Grand Canyon then east on rts. 66/40 and following the Smokies/ Appalachians north on the return leg.

can anyone recommend good quality trad shop(s) on the way or back?

There’s nothing in northern Utah dedicated to traditional archery, except maybe Bingham’s here in Ogden. Despite their sizable catalog offerings, their walk-in retail footprint is pretty small though. A few token items at Cabela’s is about all. Not sure if he’s even planning on getting into Utah, but if given other routes, I might take them…

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in reply to: What happened? Slump! #50213

NavySkyPilot wrote: I did throw 3 arrows, alike but different than what I’d been shooting all year, into the mix. Maybe that threw me off? I shoot instinctive- Maybe it is like pitching baseballs all season & putting a few softballs in the bag? Anyway, I’ve ordered a dozen new arrows, I’m going to watch my G Fred A video, & lay off for a week.

I did the same thing – stuck a few mismatched woodies into the quiver and expected all to be well…bad idea. I got so frustrated thinking it was me I quit for a couple days. Went back to a few matched aluminums and the groups came back right away. I’m going to pay much more attention to matching up the wood shafts from here on. (My matched ones have been dedicated to broadhead duty and as such I’ve just been picking up the odds and ends with field points to practice with).
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in reply to: Feeling like a Dinosaur…… #48822

coyote220 wrote: I was thrilled to win a “dinosaur” catalog on eBay this week. A 1962 Herter’s catalog, the year of my birth ! I remember reading and reading all of my fathers old Herter’s catalogs when I was a kid. Not all tech detracts from our interests some can actually bring back a good memory.

Ya got some “Herter’s Hudson Bay Model Perfect” memories too, eh coyote?
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in reply to: First group EVER with wood arrows #46075

I am in the process of trying the same thing. Second coat of poly went on the shafts last night. Trying to get up the courage to put on a simple crest. Then feathers…what have I gotten myself into?:?
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in reply to: A Little Feather Giveaway #46071

Wow Steve, I’d love a few. I just put the second coat of poly on the first shafts I’ve done myself and wouldn’t mind some feathers for them. This is all quite experimental for me and the best I can shoot for is for them to turn out like Patrick’s (they looked great). Even if someone else wants some, enough to fletch up the 11 shafts I have waiting would be great.
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SteveMcD wrote: Ok gents… All the discussion on feathers had me rootin through my collection on my extras.

So here’s a Feather giveaway on a first come first serve basis.

AMG 4 Inch Parabolic – Green Camo LW Feathers count = 31

AMG 4 Inch Parabolic – Orange Camo LW Feathers count = 25

AMG 4 Inch Parabolic – Brown Camo LW Feathers count = 15

First come first serve.. they’re free.

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