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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #49119

MontanaFord wrote: To be honest, I’ve never hunted from a tree stand. But, anything with a trajectory, be it a rifle, hand gun, compound, recurve or longbow, it will “hit high” shooting up hill or down hill. Figure it this way…if the animal is uphill or downhill from you, you can create a right triangle out of your position in relation to the animal’s location. The vertical distance is the vertical side of the triangle. The horizontal distance is the horizontal side of the triangle, and the distance from hunter to target is the diagonal line. NOW…we all know that the diagonal is the actual distance from shooter to target. However, what most novice shooters don’t realize (and I learned this the hard way by missing a huge whitetail buck with my rifle) is that when shooting, the only distance that matters where trajectory is concerned is the true horizontal distance from you to the animal. Elevation only affects one thing….the actual distance from shooter to target. Trajectory is only affected by the horizontal distance to the target. If a deer is 20 yards from the base of your tree, the only distance that will affect your arrow (or bullet) is the 20 yards. It doesn’t matter if you are up in the tree or on the ground, you would shoot for (or aim) like you are shooting 20 yards. If you are 20 feet up in the tree, and the deer is 20 yard (60 feet), the actual distance is 21 yards (63 feet). That 21 yards doesn’t matter. This is where range finders can hinder more than help. Many range finders do not take out the factor of the elevation…they only shoot the distance from you to the target. If you’re uphill or downhill, and your range finder doesn’t compensate, you might miss. Hope this helps. If I managed to confuse somebody, please let me know where I confused you, and I’ll try and explain it better.

Michael.

I’m not sure if that’s correct. Mathematically I fill your correct,but you haven’t taken in consideration gravitational pull on the arrow! If I understand your theory the arrow would hit the target(deer) low. All my tree stand experience with a compound if the deer is 20yrds from the base of the tree, and your say 25ft up in your stand although the hypotenuse of the angle is greater, your arrow shoots over his back due to less gravitational pull. My statement come from an article I read yeas ago…Regards Wade

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in reply to: HERE WE GO AGAIN!! #48530

Hey Steve sounds like sound advice! Yeah I’m going to look into the gold tips I really do want to pick the weight up,I’m trying to line up an Elk hunt in the future, and want to go with the proper ammo. Right now I’m wishy washy about everything because of my lack of experiance in Traditional Gear. I know the weight forward thing is the best way to go, but I bet it take a bit more tuning. Anyway I’ll keep reading and asking thing I don’t understand and see how it turns out! Thanks for your input, and will take what your willing to give out….Regards Wade

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in reply to: HERE WE GO AGAIN!! #47655

Steve Graf wrote: Do you know the spine of your wood arrows? If you do, then it is a simple matter to correlate that to a carbon arrow.

Or, you could just buy some gold tips which are sold by bow weight range. I think they go 35-55 and 55-75. Considering that you are going with a heavier head (good thinking!) I would recommend the 55-75 spine arrows.

Gold tips are good arrows and are fairly light. This means you will get good FOC on your arrows. They are reasonably priced compared to other shafts as well. I used to say “and they are made in America” but I think this isn’t true any more.

Good Luck!

Hey Steve: Thanks for the reply. That sounds good to me,should I buy just one or two Gold tips and give it a try, or should that be my arrow,and i can make other adjustments through my brace height? Not sure what I’m doing so I pretty much have to rely on the experiance of others. I’ve been reading about the Abowyer Whitetail Sng. bevel broadhead in a 215gr. Whats say you?

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in reply to: BOW ARM TECHNIQUE QUESTION #46988

Bert wrote: Hello and welcome NV- Locking any part of your body is a bad thing! Compounders, because of their equipment set-up, tend to stand at 90 degrees to the target while trad guys and gals have a more open stance and cant the bow more or less, depending on your physique, from the vertical.
By all means get some manuals on form- T.J.Conrads, Byron Ferguson, Brian Sorrells and my favorite on the physical aspects, Anthony Camera’s ‘Shooting the Stickbow’, who goes into very detailed muscle and tendon groups and their role in drawing, holding and releasing an arrow in a disciplined relaxed, consistent manner. And there are some good DVD’s out there that perhaps some others on this forum could recommend.
Remember, when you perfect your release, you will have accomplished what no archer in history has done!
So concentrate on correct form until it is ‘natural’, as in any physical activity, and then you can focus on making your arrow hit where you want- well at least, most of the time- now why in the hell did that arrow go there!
Good shooting-Bert

Yeah what he said!!!

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in reply to: Bow quiver or not? #46855

Hell Turtle I don’t know now, may be lost in space! I answered you on what I thought was my e-mail. I just hit reply and started typing. you didn’t get it?

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in reply to: Bow quiver or not? #46572

turtlebunting wrote: [quote=rebstud][quote=P.J. Petiniot]I prefer bow quivers when hunting-I just like having my arrows close at hand and they are the most quiet of the quiver options I believe-

Like Michael said, somebows don’t work well with bow quivers due to length, limb angle, widths ect.-You will figure that out on a per bow situation-

I will offer up this opinion too-If you plan on hunting with a bow quiver, be sure and practice with it on the bow too-many times a quiver will change the feel, performance and handling of a bow-I am amazed at how many guys will shoot all summer long and thing they have it all figured out, only to strap a quiver on the night before opening day and realize that things have changed ever so slightly-

I shoot my hunting rig year round-bow-quiver and arrows-This leaves much less to chance in my opinion-

Good luck in whatever decission you make-

Thanks for your input. I do prefer to shoot with my quiver on the bow for numerous reasons. I shoot a Martin Savannah which at best is about 1 1/2lbs and the extra weight seems to put me more in touch with the feel of the bow.(If that even makes since). And as you stated your ammo is always with you no matter what the situation is,on the ground as well as in a tree stand. I guess my inexperience keeps me second guessing what you fill is the best avenue to take. I think my greatest fear is I think it may me noisy..Thanks again Regards Wade

i also have a savannah, and i agree with both of u! but i have a new martin backquiver and i shoot just as good with it. but i hunt in ground blinds so i like arrows close!!
Hey Turtle; I replied to your email sent the first one by mistake. Sent one behind the first. Sorry big thumbs!!

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in reply to: Bow quiver or not? #46194

P.J. Petiniot wrote: I prefer bow quivers when hunting-I just like having my arrows close at hand and they are the most quiet of the quiver options I believe-

Like Michael said, somebows don’t work well with bow quivers due to length, limb angle, widths ect.-You will figure that out on a per bow situation-

I will offer up this opinion too-If you plan on hunting with a bow quiver, be sure and practice with it on the bow too-many times a quiver will change the feel, performance and handling of a bow-I am amazed at how many guys will shoot all summer long and thing they have it all figured out, only to strap a quiver on the night before opening day and realize that things have changed ever so slightly-

I shoot my hunting rig year round-bow-quiver and arrows-This leaves much less to chance in my opinion-

Good luck in whatever decission you make-

Thanks for your input. I do prefer to shoot with my quiver on the bow for numerous reasons. I shoot a Martin Savannah which at best is about 1 1/2lbs and the extra weight seems to put me more in touch with the feel of the bow.(If that even makes since). And as you stated your ammo is always with you no matter what the situation is,on the ground as well as in a tree stand. I guess my inexperience keeps me second guessing what you fill is the best avenue to take. I think my greatest fear is I think it may me noisy..Thanks again Regards Wade

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in reply to: Martin Serengeti #46086

turtlebunting wrote: i would just call martin archery about. thats what i did about my string for my savannah. when they sent a recurve string with it.

Hey Turtlebunting; New also to the world of Traditional bows. I also have a Savannah, and love it. Didn’t know there where differances in bow strings,that might harm your bow! Whats the deal!! Regards Wade

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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #46054

MontanaFord wrote: All of the advice here is solid and sound. On a lighter note, if I was to say that I had never missed a shot, you could bet your life savings that I had never taken a shot. I’ve missed lots and killed few. But that’s hunting at its best. At its worst, you get to spend all day looking for that animal that you made a bad shot on, or spend all night hoping that it doesn’t rain and you can find your animal in short order in the morning. Always be prepared for the worst, but pray for the best, and as was said above….PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE!!!

Good shooting!
Michael; thanks for your input. I still have a lot of practicing to do!
I hope I haven’t picked up any bad habits. I still want to try shooting
from a sitting position(on a bucket). From a tree stand,to see if
there’s any arrow rise as with a compound bow. I own a Martin Savannah
longbow@55#, and a Black Widow recurve bow @51# enjoy shooting both, but
I quess I need to make up my mind which to hunt with! Both have good
points and like I said love shooting both. What do you think?

Michael

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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #45894

Hiram wrote: The shot may be rushed, but the sequence is burned in through Bale work and proper practice. I only shoot when the position is right. Now getting to this point as a Hunting Archer included not always doing this in the proper:) order lol

Thanks Guys I’ll keep practicing, one thing I’m still a little fuzzy about,which is this. Being an X compound hunter it’s a known fact arrow flight is always a bit high shooting from a tree stand. although I shoot instictive do I shot as if there going to be a rise in my arrow flight?

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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #43616

buzzard wrote: Rebstud, i’m +1 with PJ. It’s fun to play with 30yd shots around the yard, but in the field, with live animals, 20yd is my limit. If i’m shooting good around the house at 30yd, then a 10ydr at a groundhog or deer feels like a chip shot. I shot zwickey eskimos for decades and love them, but you’ll not go wrong with Eclipse. You can read more about the single bevel heads at this site on Dr. Eds page. You may or may not need them depending on the game you’ll be hunting. Don’t try to rush your accuracy ideals. With no pins, it’s more diffucult to get consistancy.

Hey Zard: I know where your comimg from. I started shooting from 5yrds and that was a no brainer, went back to 10yrds and still grouped in about 4″, so went back at 16yrds wher I grouped at about 10″ with an occasional opps. 16yrds is a little weird but gets me out of the Florida sun (shade tree). I hunt in Ga. and have quit a few 130,140 bucks so I really want to get my skills honed. My son, and nephew both shot nice 125 bucks, but still rifle hunt. I only Traditional bow hunt so I have some catching up to do! I’ve made up my mind to limit mt shooting to 20yrds since I enjoy hunting in heavy cover. I still have a lot of oracticing to do and do so two times a day for an hour or so. I’m getting more commfortable with my shooting, but still pretty much shoot from a standing possition. I read somewhere a guy practiced sitting on a bucket! Sounds like a good idea, but I don’t think I’m ready for that. I stand up in my loc-ons most the time but do sit to rest(I’m sure thats when BIG BOY will show up). But any rate still at it and thanks for all the input, it does reall help us guys just starting out… Regards Wade

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in reply to: Bow quiver or not? #43595

SteveMcD wrote: Well… I’ve never had a problem lenghening the strap and wrapping my back quiver over the top of my backpack. Awkward – yes. But for packing in – doable. Besides…. a back quiver is “Traditional” 8) , I know.. so beat me with a wet towel:lol:! But my ancestors like Otzi the Ice Man wore a Back Quiver NOT a bow quiver.:shock::D

But, in the end it really is about conveinence and what you are use too. Has it cost me at times yes. I remember a few years back the very last day of the winter archery season, it was bitter cold and deep snow, my stand was underneath a stand of Junipers trees, About 4 PM a small forkhorn came up the hill and was walking his way to another patch of junipers 100 yards away, that leads out into some open oak hardwoods and mountain laurel. It was also the direction of my way out. After a half hour and the early winter sun on the horizon I resigned myself to the season being over, I got my pack and then put my back quiver on over the pack with the arrows pointed in the wrong direction:oops:! (I’m a rightie and I had the quiver and arrows pointing left. :?I started walking out into the other patch of junipers and there was the forkhorn 15 yards in front me 😮 surveying the open hardwood before stepping out. I knew there was no way of shooting this deer, I couldn’t get an arrow out without taking the quiver off. 😛 I resigned myself to the fact that this buck had pulled one over on me, I just smiled 😀 and reminded myself, it was a good fair hunt, and there’s always – next year! I wished the buck fair well to what would be a challenging harsh North Country winter. 😉

Steve; I know what you mean, and took to my nearest Bass Pro Shop where I purchased a “Catquiver” quiver. It has a nice head cover for the feathers,and a cloth camo cover on it, which i thought was a good feature. Everyone has been real helpfull with all there experience. Ranges,broadheads,quivers,and such! I love it super helpfull. Thanks to all…Regards Wade > Oh cool story, I hope all you guys know it’s really nice you have the snow, and such to hunt in! I’ll wait to hear your next hunting story, you did good!!!

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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #40284

P.J. Petiniot wrote: Wade–

I will offer up one more piece of free advice-It will be worth exactly what you paid for it;)

Although there is nothing wrong with gaining the skills it takes to hit targets at 20-30 yerds, you must first be completely confident and competent at 5-15 yards-I mean you must know that you will never miss at those ranges before you worry about longer ranges-At this point in your traditional archery journey, I would concentrate on making the shot at much closer ranges. In a woodlan invironment, even having the oportunity to make a 30 yard shot is pretty rare-

As a traditional bowhunter, the majority of your shots will be close (5-15 yards) you want to know you can kill every creature that crosses your path at those ranges-

If you do this, you will become a successfull bowhunter, this I am sure of.

As for Eclipse broadheads-You cannot go wrong with these heads. Blake is a great guy and I will be using these heads exclusivly for the first time this season.

I have used many heads over the years and kept coming back to Zwickey Deltas. I love the heads and I have killed a lot of stuff with them but I know Blake and his family. They are good people and he makes a great product. I am going to give these heads an honest run this season and I will not shoot anything else. I have shot them and they are flying great for me-no issues there..

Keep us posted on your practice routine and tell us of your progress.

P.J.

Besides your obvious experiance,and your advice is easy on the pocket(Ha Ha)my evening practice will be some what closer to my targets. My wife says my back yard looks like a zoo, for all the 3-D targets I’ve purchased over the last month or so. And thanks for your insight on the Eclipse heads. I do have one quicky for you! I was reading an article by Ashby on single bevel broadheads because of their bone crushing capabilities. Have you heard of such a broadhead,and if so what is your take on them? Oh I puchased a Doz.cedar arrows from Northwest Archery with 5 1/2″ feathers,so the heads that are in question will be the type that are held in place with an adhesive.

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in reply to: WHATS THE RUSH? #40246

P.J. Petiniot wrote: Rushing your shot when shooting at a live animal is something that many of us do at times–I think when the moment of truth has arrived and everything is going right, your brain says “hurry up, this deer won’t stand there looking the other way forever” and you don’t “stay calm and pick a spot”

You need to make sure you have a routine when you shoot-you need to do everything exactly the same regardless if you are shooting at deer or targets of deer.

When I make sure I do everything the same shooting at an animal as I do shooting at a target, the evidense is usually laying at my feet shortly after the arrow is loosed-

If I have broken my routine and not fully concentrated all the way until the arrow hits where I am looking, I am usually in for a long day-

Practice, practice, practice–That is what it takes–If you are not 100% confident in your ability to make any given shot, you shouldn’t take it–

And sometimes, live creatures just have that 6th sense going for them–More times than I can count I have had an animal about to make his final step of two and for whatever reason–they just FEEL something isn’t right and they go back the way they came from–

Sounds like good commonsence advice. I’ve been shooting for an hour in the morning and evening for about two weeks now, and feel like I’m doing a little better. I shoot a 51# Black Widow recurve and trying hard to stay in a routine, shooting at 20yrds most the time and 30yrds a little. Feel like I’m making some head way drawing the bow back and holding it with little discomfort. Seems like I hold pretty much on the 30yrd as I do the 20yrd shot (instinctively) so thats going to be my limit I guess. Still not sure of the broad heads to shoot with all the pros, and cons I’ve been reading on!! A bit confusing,I think I’ve settle on the Eclipse two bladed type. But thats a whole differant chapter. Thanks for taking the time to respond..Regards Wade

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in reply to: feather orientation #39371

BRUC wrote: I just got my new recurve from Caribow Custom Archery. The bowyer suggests that the arrow is placed with feathers at 12 o:clock and 4 and 8 o:clock. I’ve tried it with the new bow, and it seems to work well. He claims that the clearance is better this way. Wondering if this is common:?:
Bruce

I’m shooting a Martin Savannah Longbow now,and shoot with cock feather out. But I also have a Black Widow recurve and they recommend 12,4,and 8 cock feather up. They trim the shelf slightly at an angle to releive the number 8 feather and they cut a slit in the arrow rest material at the shelf and riser area for thr number 4 feather. I’m not sure if that helps but may give you something to think on.. Wade

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