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Charles, that’s an adventure I’ve thought about. I can’t make it this year, but that would be fun! One day.
in reply to: Need lots of help!!!!!!!! #136685Hey Adam. right on for picking up the recurve! You’ll most likely become really addicted.
You’re experience with using the tip of the arrow is pretty normal. Most folks who use that sighting system have a point on distance somewhere around 40-50 yards, like Raymond said. You could move your anchor around on your face, or increase your weight a lot. Or just get used to shooting the way it does.
Good luck man!
Preston
in reply to: Need advice #134557Hey Kit,
Steve nailed it on the head.
The question I’d ask yourself is simply: What do you want to get out of your time in the woods?
Sometimes I take my rifle out because I really want to try and get some meat. Most of the time I carry my longbow since I’m after the whole experience, which means it is the rare occasion that I come home with game I’ve arrowed. Yesterday I didn’t see a single bear, I broke an arrow on a rock that a quail was sitting atop, and I lost an arrow after I hit a branch a squirrel was perched on. This month I could’ve filled a bear tag very easily with my rifle, but it would’ve meant never having some really close encounters (like a sow with 2 cubs that was about to walk over me if I hadn’t whistled when she was within 5 yards), never would’ve sat and watched a big boar climbing oaks and shaking down acorns for 20 minutes, never would’ve watched the shrew and sharp-shinned hawk hunting, and just a general loss of time in the woods. Hunting creates this need that is hard to recreate any other way, and hunting with traditional tackle creates a need to get intimate with your quarry. The time in the woods and intimacy with big game is my cake; to release a clean arrow and quickly kill game is the icing.
As long as you’re clear with yourself what you want out of the woods, then you’ll be happy whichever weapon you carry.
Good luck and have fun!
Preston
in reply to: Good Night and More lessons learned… #134102David- I live in a special place when it comes to black bears. One of the highest densities on the continent, plenty of public land, and a lot of food. If a guy can find food and locate sign, then its only a matter of time spent in the woods to see them. This spot we hiked into was about 2-6 miles from the truck and we were the only hunters that had gone in there during the archery season.
That being said, I’m always amazed (and a little thankful) that so many rifle hunters out here never see a bear. But it’s steep, big, and brushy country, and not many people want to walk down into that stuff…which is where the bears are. But bears are also sneaky and sometimes they just get past you without you knowing.
Getting a bear out whole would be impossible in most of the places I hunt. Even close to the truck it’s too steep and big unless you’re above a road. That’s a tough law. We still submit the jaw so they can pull a tooth for aging.
Good luck this coming fall everyone!
in reply to: Good Night and More lessons learned… #134013The bear hunting was still great, despite the chipmunks best efforts. Bears were able to eat some of the acorns! I had along a good friend of mine, he’s been hunting his whole life with a rifle. This was his first hunt with a longbow. And he had so much fun! Especially stump shooting. He was really waiting for a perfect shot, that broadside or slightly quartering away angle, and even when a bear was feeding 6 yards from him he didn’t get that opportunity. So no shots taken…yet. Now the white and black oaks are raining acorns, so there’s more hunting to come!
in reply to: Good Night and More lessons learned… #133983Nice story Steve.
Out hunting for bears this fall we were in a place with abundant oak shrubs. Well the chipmunks had cleaned out almost all the acorns before the bears could get to them! But it was neat watching the chippers react to different predators. One morning an owl perched above us and the chippers gave a light-hearted “chuck” slow and steady. Later when a coopers hawk came through camp, the chippers dove for cover uttering that high-pitched rolling chirp with real feeling of danger, and you could hear this call moving up the valley with the hawk. Then one evening I found myself amongst dozens of chipmunks uttering a harsh high chip with all the feeling of danger but not the urgency that preceded the hawk…The alarm calls radiated out a hundred yards but the center did not move very fast…then I caught sight of a dark-brown shape slipping along underneath a fallen tree… A fisher emerged from the dead tree’s horizontal canopy for an instant then disappeared again under more cover!
Happy hunting,
Preston
in reply to: Humboldt Archers Traditional 3D shoot June 16 #132220Thanks Robin!
in reply to: Unscented leather boot conditioner #132046Haha! Thanks Ralph, I had a good laugh.
Yeah I’m trying sno seal.
in reply to: Unscented leather boot conditioner #132035Nice autocorrect yawl for ya’ll haha
in reply to: I'm back on the wagon (or is it off the wagon…) #131749Grumps- Best of luck with the spinal tap, and I hope you recover quickly and smoothly. I’ve been hearing about the weather from family…crazy. I’m looking forward to seeing some photos of your bows.
Ralph- .25″ since last Oct!!! Our winter finally quit the other day and it Spring in full force.
Yesterday I was out looking for bears. We cut a fresh trail; turns out the bear was circling behind us to get our wind. We didn’t even know he was there, it is so thick and he was quiet. Never saw him.
in reply to: I'm back on the wagon (or is it off the wagon…) #131679Thanks for the nice remarks about the article!
Yeah carbons do spoil you, but it’s like Steve says- they have no soul! Really I just enjoy working with wood and carbons are so sterile. I hold my fir shafts and look down their length eying the grain. I just love the feel of them. It’s probably like holding a wooden riser if you’ve only shot metal bows (whether recurve or compound). I also really like the idea that if I needed to I could make it.
I’m not sure what to make of the computer spine calculator. I’ve never used them prior to shooting an arrow from a bow. I have figured out which arrow flies well from a specific bow, then plugged that data into the spine calculator and sometimes it came out close but sometimes not. I prefer real world testing of arrows to figure out what works best. The folks at 3Rivers know what they’re doing, so maybe I’m using it wrong.
I worked at an archery shop and set up, tested, sold, explained how to use dozens of recurves. Most of the customers were new or young people, so we interacted with bows in range of 15-40 pounds mostly. Here’s a general guide for the arrows we set up with each bow package (modern recurve bow, centershot, takedowns):
20-30# bow got 1716s
30-35# bow got 1816s
40-45# bow got 1916s, aka .600
45-55# bow got 2016s, aka .500
That’s all measured @28″, so as you know you pull 29.5″ and that could bump a 35# bow up to using 1916s.
I’d say if you have an arrow set up that flies well, then stick with it. Remember, spine mainly affects an arrow in the horizontal plane, not so much the trajectory, especially shooting close. Have fun!
Hi Alejandro. From my experience a 35# recurve-center shot bow should shoot a full length 1816 aluminum shaft pretty well. for comparison to carbon arrows, a 1916 aluminum shaft would be equal to a 600 spine carbon. So 1816s are even weaker than the 600 spine carbons you tried.
Spine is going to affect your arrow flight. But if you’re only issue is the arrows are dropping low before hitting the target…well then just aim higher…haha!
in reply to: Surewood Shafts #131645Hey rgist, Surewood spines the shaft first, then they do the back taper. They told me you lose 1-2# of spine when you back taper.
in reply to: Questions/ a little help #128682Hey Chuck,
As for the elk question, there’re 2 answers: First, each state has a legal definition of what can be used to hunt elk. For example, in Oregon a longbow/recurve has to pull 50# to hunt elk. So check the regs for whichever state you are interested in hunting. Second answer is bow weight is less important than accurate shooting and sharp broadheads. Confidence plays a huge role in bowhunting (well, at least it has for me), so if I were choosing between 2 bows I would take the one I have more confidence with.
As far as the Bear montana and hoyt buffalo go, I’m not sure why one is more accurate than the other in your hands. Some bows just aren’t as compatible with an archer. But, I suspect it may have something to do with the fact that you are switching from a compound to traditional. The buffalo has a machined-aluminum riser, and it may feel more familiar/comfortable in the hands of someone used to a compound riser. The Bear montana does not have a very pronounced locator grip in the riser, so it might be that your grip is inconsistent. That’s just a thought.
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