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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #14703

Your premise:
The NRA is in bed with the Republican party, who perpetuates irresponsible capitalism, with no regard to the environmental concerns.

Captials are SOMETIMES used to add emphasis to a word, phrase, or sentence. ESPECIALLY when I am almost always typing this stuff out via my iPhone, which doesn’t allow me to use italics or bold fonts.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13876

Lol! Now I’m close minded. I must be, otherwise I’d see things your way. The fact is, my pea-brain DOES understand your point, BUT I disagree with your premise, and if the premise is flawed, so is the rest of the argument. YOU seem to think if someone doesn’t see things your way they are close-minded, blindly following the heard, or responding from emotions (anger), and therefore not capable of logical/rational/intellectual thought. Well, the truth is people that think like you truly are a dime a dozen. Your constantly thinking others don’t see the light because they lack your superior intellect bores the hell out of me. With that said, I’m signing off.

[Patrick]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13828

THAT is the problem. You don’t think it has anything to do with the 2nd Amendment/Constitution.

Nobody questioned your patriotism.

[Patrick]

in reply to: Perseid meteor shower #13401

Yep, but not until next year, around same time (I think so anyway).

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12975

Hiram wrote: By the way, Today is the last day of my 24th year in Law Enforcement. Yes, today I re-tire. I’m gonna Bowhunt!:D

congrats!

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12957

johnny2 wrote: Dude, you are way to far right for me. My Dad always said there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere near the middle. So far these words have proven true. You need to go back and read all the posts.

Again I think it is a sad state of affairs when your right to own any gun you want takes precedence over any other issues.

Lord help us consider the well being and concerns of our neighbor above our own.

What truly puzzles me is your clear and obvious refusal to acknowledge the 2nd Amendment. What we are all saying (if I may speak for others), is the government has ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORITY, per our Constitution, to take or regulate arms. Period. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution supporting your agenda. If we can’t get our government to ackowledge what is clearly expressed, why would you think you’ll get, and maintain what is not? Not happening.

And please stop with the condescending remarks: “heard mentality”, etc. That’s what people with no facts to back their point of view do.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12942

Maybe you should watch Braveheart again. He was fighting to gain their freedom! If you were there, I’m sure your priorites would shift. I don’t recall Wallace extolling the virtues of tightening emission standards for blacksmith shops.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12698

johnny2 wrote: You say and suggest all this as an NRA member, I suggest you talk to folks that don’t own guns. Ask their opinion of the NRA. I also suggest you read something other than NRA literature. I am aware of all the programs you mentioned.

You assume we only are basing our information on NRA literature. How condescending, and incredibly misinformed YOU are. Speaks VOLUMES.

By the way, I already said I don’t own any guns, BUT I don’t count, huh?

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in reply to: Ashby set-up on elk — success report #12574

Awesome Dave! Congrats, and thanks for sharing that with us.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12517

johnny2 wrote: Actually my New Orleans reference speaks to the heart of the matter, are you willing to fight for your guns at the expense of everything else.

Like it or not when dealing with the NRA it comes down to Dem vs Repub, thats kind of my point, it should be about gun rights, period.

I think you are going to offend a lot of people with that last sentence. The facts are that the damage could have been much less severe had the wetlands been in their natural state. The responsibility for the loss of the wetlands doesn’t rest only on the shoulders of the residents of New Orleans

I live in tornado alley, am I also foolish?

Ah, hell (here I go again)…
Your NOLA reference has no bearing on the NRA pros and cons…the title of this thread, which YOU started. The NRA had nothing to do with the deterioration of the aforementioned wetlands. THAT was done by short-sighted individuals. To associate the two is a gross oversimplification:
NRA = Repub (to you) = unrestrained/irresponsible capitalism = environmental disasters

It’s not that simple, and THAT offends me (not really). The NRA is about gun rights. Unfortunately there are not many dems who are on board with the concept. Just a sad fact. I’m a staunch advocate of OUR Constitution, not just what you narrowly define as “gun rights”

[Patrick]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12495

This could go on forever…I’ve stated my thoughts.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12461

My, short sighted reference, was regarding liberty. Had nothing to do with environmental concerns.

I don’t make excuses for anyone and I’m not going to argue Dem vs Repub with you or anyone else. I already stated invidivdual responsibility is paramount in a Republic. People standing by politicians only because they are from the same party you affiliate with, when they’ve done wrong is A HUGE PROBLEM!!!

My 2nd Amendment statement stands by itself. If that doesn’t apply to you, great.

Your NOLA reference is WAY out of scope. The government confiscated peoples guns. People who live below sea level, near the ocean are foolish, UNLESS they are willing to take personal responsibility for the consquences. Environmental concerns are real and valid. As I stated earlier. It’s not one or the other.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12396

johnny2 wrote:
On the contrary, concern for our enviroment would require a very broad view of the big picture. With no place to hunt what would be the point of anything on this website. Indeed, we all need clean air, clean water, a place to stretch our legs, and some places on this earth not touched by human hands with or without our guns and bows. I believe if this is not of paramount concern to someone short-sighted would be the very definition of their views.

I also believe the “chicken little syndrome” is running rampant among us and I believe the NRA fuels these fears. I’m sorry, I just don’t believe the democratic party is on a mission to turn us into a communist state.

Why can’t the NRA change their approach to protecting our rights? Maybe a less intimidating image to folks that don’t own guns.

Chicken Little Syndrome?! LOL! Yeah, like the environmental extremist movement? Nevertheless…Tell that to those in New Orleans who had their guns confiscated when they needed them the most. Tell that to DC residents who had to go the the Supreme Court to get their rights back, and still not fully. Tell that to Chicago residents, etc. etc. The list goes on. It isn’t about hunting. It doesn’t matter whether you own a gun or not (and IN FACT, I currently don’t own one!).

You are stating the obvious. Yes, we need clean air, water, etc. You seem to think gun rights and conservation are polar opposites. They are not.

The ideas that “we” espouse, are not for today only, they are for 200 years from now as well. I’ll guarantee Germans never, in their wildest dreams, figured they would have ELECTED a monster like Hitler, but they did. I could site many examples to prove to you there is no such thing as a guarantee. Vigilance is required. We can and HAVE lost many of our freedoms. So don’t say we can’t become a “communist” country. We can become anything the people allow.

By the way, You mention “democrats”, I intentionally never mentioned a party. It is about following the Constitution. I don’t give a rat’s rear-end what party you’re affiliated with. You either abide by the Constitution, or it’s a useless piece of paper. If you disagree with the 2nd Amendment, fight to abolish it. Don’t act as though it doesn’t exist.

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in reply to: Sighting!! #12331

Carbomask wrote: I saw an osprey catch a fish in my backyard, and I cant figure out who to share this awesome thing with. I got em on film too. unbelievable.

That’s awesome! Especially to get it on film. Nice back yard you have.

By the way, when I saw the title of your post, I figured it was a reference to “Escanaba in da Moonlight”. Lol!

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #11860

Greatreearcher wrote: just read all of the posts, and I think alot of you either have not read Dr. Ashbys post or you have forgotten, he said very clearly that the second amendment does not protect our gun rights, It protects our rights to keep and bare arms, so that broad definition would definatly include our archery equipment. This post was in reference to the posts between jonny2 and hiram up at the top!

The proverbial can of worms. With all due respect, if that’s what Dr Ashby said, then he is quite simply wrong, almost comically so. Do your own research. Don’t take anyone’s word for it.

EDIT: I went back and read Dr Ashby’s post. I took the post that I quoted out of context. I don’t think it would ever hold up in court, but I would agree with his sentiment.

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