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in reply to: My First Traditional Kill #9928

Way to go! Great feeling – being able to bring home food to your family with a stick and a string.

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in reply to: Elk Hunt – Bad Penetration! #63466

Thanks for all the responses. They helped settle a bit of the bile in my gut. There is a Nov 10 -30 any deer archery season in my neck of the woods – I will add to the many stalks :P.

DP – The thought has crossed my mind about not getting to full draw… who knows. But then again… maybe I do need a new bow:twisted: Did you see Tailfeathers? – 😯

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in reply to: Elk Hunt – Bad Penetration! #62535

I believe it is likely I hit higher than I thought. You know the whole sequence begins to seem like a dream after rethinking it so many times. I described the bull as jumping the string at the shot but I think it’s more accurate to say he ducked or crouched slightly. Then he was gone in a stride. All I saw was a flash of the fletching.

I know this is a story as old as time, and it only stregthens my resolve to get better, more educated, hunt harder and wiser.

I think I will work up some heavier arrows and look into different footing options.

Anyone think I should be shooting more bow? I got to admit the compound buddy I was hunting with planted that seed after he saw the arrow. His reaction was to say the a traditional bow just can’t produce enough kinetic energy to get adequate penetration. I have to admit I wasn’t in the mood to quote Ashby studies and argue momentum over kinetic in the tent that night while I dined on the backstraps of his bull…

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in reply to: Elk Hunt – Bad Penetration! #62285

vintage archer wrote: [quote=manystalksfewkills]Not sure exactly how high the hit was. Seemed a bit high and back but still in the “kill zone”

I may not be figuring my FOC correctly. 32″ from nock to broad head point. 9 and 1/4″ point to balance point.

Manystalksfewskis,

Sorry to hear about the lack of recovery.

I am not sure what breaking right behind the broad head is indicating particularly with a carbon arrow. You did not say how much blood was on the arrow indicating depth of penetration. You saw the arrow hit …what was you recollection of how much arrow went in.?? It sounds like you got part of a lung but maybe hit bone some where before you got there. STUFF HAPPENS ….very frustrating.

Others might have more insight.

Your total arrow weight is slightly on the low side to breech bone while it is 650 that is close to the minimum but those figures are ball park figures some bone may require more.…..Just thinking out loud.

The AMO method of measuring the FOC does not include the broad head or tip. While it is a exceptable method it is hard to relate back to Ashby’s foc guide lines

Try using this formula

http://tuffhead.com/education/formulas_FOC.html

measure your arrow length from knock to inert. Balance point from knock to balance point and plug those in the formuls.

Not sure you are calculating it correctly.

Vintage Archer,

There is blood down the shaft about 7″. I did not see the arrow well after the hit so am not sure if that indicates penetration or just residual blood. Thanks for the info on arrow weight.

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in reply to: Elk Hunt – Bad Penetration! #62076

Not sure exactly how high the hit was. Seemed a bit high and back but still in the “kill zone”

I may not be figuring my FOC correctly. 32″ from nock to broad head point. 9 and 1/4″ point to balance point.

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