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in reply to: Another volunteer for the Ashby study #22834

It absolutely tore up the liver

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in reply to: Another volunteer for the Ashby study #22833

I thought I hit the hart, however I was behind it, the broadhead cut the inside of the right lung, and cut the back part of the left lung.

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in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #22362

J. wesbrock, If I’d have ever dragged a deer back to the cabin and bragged about shooting it up the rear end, my grandfather would have buried his boot in mine…not shook my hand and said congrats.

I have a size 12 steel toe I would love to help you out with 😯

The latest volunteer for the Ashby study, got to go to a party see y’all later.

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in reply to: Shot Placement Question #35387

That’s amazing…………………….. because I know this guy…………………. who’s neighbor’s….. uncle’s,…… cousin’s,……. wife’s……. best friend’s……….. mother’s,…….. grand father has killed thousands of deer with a 42lb bow for hundreds of years and never lost one.:shock:

My friend, there are so many variables that happen at the shot, only God knows for sure what happened.

We as would-be hunters strive to perfect our hunting tackle as best we can, and yet, there are still a lot of things that have to happen for us to make a clean kill.

Just a few of the variables that might of happened:

* Shot angle / animal movement / moving away / turning / ducking / squatting
* Shot placement / animal movement ( deer are so fast, your eye might not even see it )
* Deflection / unseen object
* Was bone hit? / at what angle? / rarely hit perpendicular
* What organs where actually cut
* The animals will to survive

Any of the above could be the cause, and that is why we need to become proficient shots, being able to place the arrow/broadhead on the spot I want to hit, shoot tackle as far above the minimum as we proficiently can.

Arrows tuned to perfection, broadheads honed to above the minimum sharpness, required to kill ( a butter knife will kill )

Even after we have done everything we can, there are still to many variables to guarantee a kill every time we loose an arrow/broadhead

We often ether blame our self’s or are tackle, sometimes it’s nether.

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in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #62340

Steertalker wrote: When we castrate bull calves we don’t use a sharp knife to sever the testicles. Instead you grab each testicle and then extend or pull down on the vas deferens at the same time winding it around your pointer finger then yanking it out. This leaves a ragged torn end which does not bleed or bleeds very little. If you were to slice it with a knife it would bleed like hell. This is an extreme example of a ragged vs clean cut, but I thought it might illustrate the point better.

Brett

For some reason I have a stomach ache, 😯

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in reply to: Ultra-EFOC Barely Above The Heavy Bone Threshold #54000

Str8arrow wrote: [quote=sapcut]King,
You may be measuring differently, not wrong but different. I measure the total length to the end of the cut arrow. Not including insert, as per AMO standards in Dr. Ashby’s report.

My best so far is 978 gr. and 36.6%. That is 700 gr. up front including aluminum footings. I haven’t tried any heavier. That dude flys great too at 160 fps.

By the sounds of it, I’m guessing it doesn’t really matter how we measure it, as long as we shoot the heaviest weight on the front we can get away with, along with the lightest shaft that will handle it. Add in the right broadhead and super tuning, and you’ll end up with the best penetrating arrow possible with your bow at your draw length.

Str8arrow you hit the ten ring, we just like exchanging recipes.

The new study shows you don’t have to shoot a log to get maximum penetration, just move as much of the arrows weight as far forward as you can.

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in reply to: Ultra-EFOC Barely Above The Heavy Bone Threshold #53998

sapcut wrote: King,
You may be measuring differently, not wrong but different. I measure the total length to the end of the cut arrow. Not including insert, as per AMO standards in Dr. Ashby’s report.

My best so far is 978 gr. and 36.6%. That is 700 gr. up front including aluminum footings. I haven’t tried any heavier. That dude flys great too at 160 fps.

I use the EFOC calculator, I’m sure it is right, as I be understanding what I be doing 😆

I got’cha Sap, the difference is, your shaft is lighter than the one I’m using, yours is 287 grains and mine is 440 grains so I am to heavy in the shaft and back end.

The best I have been able to get is 34%, which is good, I just want more.

Sap, 978 gn. @ a buck sixty is smoken with 36.6%.

What I want is 35-40% UEFOC with a 650-700 gr. arrow giving me super penetration and flat trajectory.

We need a stiff soda straw that can handle 400-600gn. on the front

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in reply to: Ultra-EFOC Barely Above The Heavy Bone Threshold #52787

Thanks Steve & Ed, I’m way past center, I think I’m over my knuckle now 😕 lol

I have been trying to just reach the UFOC, I took 2, 300 grain broadheads and taped them together, just to see what the numbers whir,” NO; I did not try and shoot it “

The highest I could reach was 35%, I also have been doing internal footing with a few hundred grains added.

I need a super light shaft, that can handle 500/600 grains on the front.

I have noticed that even if I add 100 or 200 grains, I get vary little movement in the UFOC.

Ed, I want an arrow that has the BRICK on the front you talked about.

Just absolutely fantastic stuff Ed

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in reply to: Ultra-EFOC Barely Above The Heavy Bone Threshold #52266

Hi Ed, I pray God’s best for you and a speedy recover, I know it must be killing you not to be able to be out in the field.

I also want to personally thank you, for your unselfish sacrifices to share with all your finding.

Your studies, like most science, only make us ask more question, as we learn more, we think of new question.

So, here’s one, how about a 655 gran arrow with a 40% UFOC, ( I have not been able to make one yet ) I have been maxing out at around the 30% mark.

As I put more weight forward, the shaft(spine)just cant handle it.

I think keeping the weight of the arrow down, gives us the best of both worlds, flatter trajectory with supper penetration.

I might have to design a new arrow, as my Frankenstein 😯 arrow has hit the max.

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in reply to: Ultra-EFOC Barely Above The Heavy Bone Threshold #50556

Hi Doc. looking forward to your stuff as always, hope your doing well.

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in reply to: Draw Weight? #50549

Hi Boarhunter, 60lb is better than 50lbs, as long as you can control the shot.

We all have different styles of shooting, some snap shoot, other have a more deliberate style, some gap shoot, and still others just spray and pray 😯

You need to find out what style of shooting best suites you.

As far as hunting bow weight, some like to hunt with the lightest bow weight they think they can get away with, I’m in the other camp.

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in reply to: Nugent gets karma-lized! #40082

Is it time to hunt yet 😀

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in reply to: Nugent gets karma-lized! #40075

Did I miss something last night?

OK Dave, you are wright, most of my grievance is with California fish & game, in no way am I justifying Ted’s action, he broke the law and paid for it.

It some times amazes me, how righteous we can get, when someone I don’t like, make a mistake. ( can we just strip him down to his Tarzan loin-cloth and shoot him with rubber bunts )

As JC said: let him who has no sin through the first stone.

I also can see that with his funds and his love for hunting, he might rely on the guide he hires more that the average would-be hunter does, as he go’s to a lot of states by way of jet, flying in and out from one to the next.( Note to self, you need to earn more money )

I can direct you to a fish and game website where they answer laws that are in the regulations, and if you ask 10 game wardens what it says, you’ll get 10 different answers.
( it might be written that way on purpose, as they get sued every year from the animal wackos ) spending millions of hunter dollars, defending sound wildlife management, only to have a wacko judge, tell them to do it another way, that don’t make no sense.

As far as going to fish and game meeting etc….. been there, done that……. am I jaded? vary much so……. it has gotten so bad, that I am ready to leave the state I was born and raised in…….. a state that is absolutely incredible in thousands of ways, the politician have destroyed my state.

I have been a big game committee member of the California Bowmen Hunters Club and a member for 30 years, been to the city counsel meetings, big game meeting etc….., I have done every thing and more than what is required, to help and promote bowhunting in my state.

The problem with California is, it’s HOSTILE to hunting, period.

I did all of the PC stuff, I would not where camo in the city…. no blood…… hide every thing so no one gets offended,,,,bla bla bla. I’m sick of it, I am a hunter and I will not apologies for being one. God gave me the right to kill and eat, the government only charges me money to hunt.

I have been harassed, called names, had the police called on me, been held at gun point, hand cuffed and made to lie on my face, because the antis called the cops, the cops did not know if it was legal or not, all this, because I was legally bowhunting.
I have almost went to blows with anti hunters as they freak out, if they see you with a Bow, let alone a kill.

Just 2 years ago, I told a guy he better leave me alone, as I was coming out of the national forest with a buck.

Here’ the way I see it, and I could be wrong, it would not be the first time, lol:

You will not make a pro-hunter out of a non-hunter, to me, that’s fantasy land, the so called experts, tell us to do this and we will win them over, BS is what I say, there mind was made up a long time ago.

If you want to change the social environment, you MUST go after the children, I have seen first hand a group go after grade school children, to change the way they think about homosexuality, it’s almost the norm now, did they change any adults minds, from let’s say the 40s,50s, 60s, maybe a few, but not many.

They went after the kids, so, as they grow up, now voting, this unseemly act, has now become normal and excepted.

As you can see from some of the post, WE ARE DIVIDED………… Ted’s not the enemy………, your barking up the wrong tree, divided we fall, united we stand.

Some say; because he’s offensive or he’s to abrasive bla… bla,.. bla…, I don’t care how a 40 or 50 year old hunter or non-hunter thinks about Ted, there not going to stop hunting because of something Ted said, there also not going to start hunting because of something Ted said, regardless if you gave him permission or not, he has accesses to the public that you and I will never have and he preaches a pro hunting message.

Mother Teresa don’t hunt……., Right now you got Ted….. some say; I won’t use him no mater what, well, that’s a choice you get to make, I think theirs some good, he has a kids camp, they shoot Bows & Guns and lot’s of outdoor activates ( how many kids did I have at my camp, that I payed for out of my pocket?……. um! none, how many times was I on TV talking about how much I love to bow hunt?…….. um! none, how many times was I on larry king?……..um! none, No one in the media asked me what my position was on hunting, because they don’t care what I or you think).

Dave my brother, he might be a horses A$$, but can’t we use him for some good, especially with the young kids, to show them the truth about hunting.

The way I see it, the only way your going to change the way hunters are looked at, is to change the minds of the kids, Disney did it with bambi and all of the animal rights propaganda shown to our children for decades, and we wounder why we loose hunting privlages each and every year.

Most of us just want to go hunting and be left alone, I don’t have an agenda, but they do, it’s to stop hunting altogether.

We have one ace up our sleeve, and that’s, that our government makes BILLIONS off of the hunters each and every year, if we really want to make some changes, IF ALL OF US DID NOT BUY A HUNTING LICENSE OR DEER TAG FOR ONE YEAR, TWO IF WE HAVE TO, just like we did to Japan, they did not believe the first one……, two was all it took, to get there minds right……….., we would see new hunters rights law’s over night, favoring the hunter.

As my gram-pa use to say; if it’s not about the money…….. it’s about the money.

I wish we where siting in Elk camp, on a cold night with a raging fire, sipping an adult beverage, instead of on this computer.

Well that’s my rant, please no one take any offense, it’s not directed at anyone.

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in reply to: Nugent gets karma-lized! #38408

BRUC wrote: You make a good point! I hope you didn’t type all of that:D
Did you mean Amen or Amend:D
Bruce

Bruce I was still trying to post the rest, it’s to much, that is amend, as it was to much and would not let me post the whole thing, this is only around 25% of this abortion of a document designed solely to fine the hunter to get money.

Please don’t tell me we need this much documentation to manage wild life.

CROOKS & THRIFT’S under the name of game management.

$635.30 for 2 deer

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in reply to: Nugent gets karma-lized! #38398

this is only about 25% of the reg’s I could not post all of it besides it take to much band with.

Here is all of it
http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/mammalregs.asp

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