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    • kingwouldbee
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      OK, I found a test dummy yesterday, glassed him in his bed about 150 yards away, wind was blowing from him to me ( thank you God )

      I pussyfooted it to 8 yards, he was sound asleep, dreaming of fat sows, and all of a sudden, “all hell broke loose”.

      As I was sneaking closer and closer, I had to find the right shot angle, he was up hill, lying on his left side in a bed he dug out caching the sun-rays, it was vary cold for So. Cal. around 33F.

      There was a oak branch lying across his chest, but as I got closer there was a football size window underneath it.

      @ 8 yards I’m a pretty good shot, I could see his right elbow was in the window, I aimed just to the left of his elbow, made sure I got to the clicker to get all of the energy my bow has to offer, paused for a second to burn a hole in the spot I wanted to hit.

      As the 640 grain footed arrow jumped from my bow, it streaked toward the exact spot I was staring at, it burred deep in the spot, he exploded out of his bed like a rodeo bull spinning around trying to figure out, where was the boar that just bit him.

      He just happen to stop spinning and was looking right at me at 8 yards, I did not move a muscle, ( but I know my eyes where as big as saucers ) as he was spinning, blood was squirting every where, I knew he only has seconds to be on his feet.

      The broadhead was sticking out of the top of his back, the fletching and lumanock was sticking out of his armpit.

      He started to run to my right bucking like a bronco, at 15 yards he did a high-o-silver backwards, jumped back up and flipped on his other side, jumped up again and did an endow over the front, flipped like a marlin a few times then stayed down for good.

      I grabbed my camera and I ran over to him, he was done.

      This is the first time I used the Magnus 1 4blade, I have to say the damage was quit impressive. ๐Ÿ˜€

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    • kingwouldbee
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      I thought I hit the hart, however I was behind it, the broadhead cut the inside of the right lung, and cut the back part of the left lung.

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    • kingwouldbee
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      It absolutely tore up the liver

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    • kingwouldbee
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      He broke the arrow as he was doing his calisthenics, I placed it back in the hole, but I see, I did not line it up.

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    • kingwouldbee
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      He had a pretty thick shield

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    • kingwouldbee
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      The wonderful thing about hog hunting is, they are perfect animals to Trad-Bowhunt, the season is unlimited, 365 days a year.

      As a lot of you know, I am a big Grizzly El grandy fan, I changed the tip on the magnus to a chisel tip, the arrow did slice a rib on the entrance, with one side of the bleader blade slightly binding, yet no real damage to the blade.

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    • kingwouldbee
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      I was shooting a 58″ Centaur chimera @ 60lbs a 640 grain footed arrow with 27% efoc.

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    • David Petersen
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      Thank you, David for another excellent hunting story and detailed explanation of arrow effect. This is the only place I like seeing blood in kill photos … and yours are the bloody best! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ Are those big old boars edible? Keep ’em coming. dave

    • kingwouldbee
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      Happy new year Dave, well this one was still good, he was about 150lbs, as they move up on the scale, they can get rough, mostly from the hormones.

      I give’um the smell test, if they smell rank! they usually are, if they smell ( not bad ) there usually good.

      For the best eaters under 100lb sow’s.

      The thing about hogs are, they are so prolific they move into a nuisance animal real quick, as our Texas brothers are experiencing, they have declared all out war on them.

      Once hogs have a foot hold in an area, and there is brush for them to hide/escape into, you can hardly remove them.

      The nature conservancy ( an animal rights group ) spent 12 million dollars to eradicate the hogs on Santa Cruz Island, the only way they could do it, was to section the Island off with hog prof fences and kill every thing in that section then move to the next.

      So for the price of a hog tag ( California makes you pay for everything ) you can take as many as you want.

      I’m just a servant of the people, doing my part to keep the pig population in balance ๐Ÿ™„

      This one was 189lbs at the butcher with no head, hide or guts, that puts him right around 300 and he was vary tasty, however he was feeding in the alfalfa fields.

      I rarely if ever take them out whole, the one on the game dolly was at my friends spot and it’s relatively flat, if I tried to put one on a dolly in my spot, you would go for the ride of your life, I bone them out 99% of the time.

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    • sapcut
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      Good job King. Are you thinking the Magnus is your “go to” broadhead now. Traitor! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    • Ed Ashby
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      King, I’m really looking forward to some more results with the 4 blades. Already know they handle bone far better than any of the 3 blade heads, and not nearly as well as the best profile 2 blade heads but we don’t have nearly enough information on how they stack up against bones of the large pig size animals, relative to such BH’s as the wide cut single blades. There’s also scant data on how they will perform at very high EFOC/Ultra-EFOC.

      Find more volunteers! Get more answers!

      Ed

    • kingwouldbee
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      sapcut wrote: Good job King. Are you thinking the Magnus is your “go to” broadhead now. Traitor! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

      “Go to head” might be pushing it, I was impressed with the damage and blood trail, however, as I have said before, blood on the ground has more to do with the sharpness of the head and what was cut, than how many blades the head has.

      I will shoot some more hogs with them, and eventually have an opinion of them, 1 hog is not enough to know anything, other than it killed it dead, more from where it was hit than anything.

      Now what will happen if I strike heavy bone, I don’t know yet, I will have to do some test on the scapula and pelvis.

    • sapcut
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      A guy I hunt with just switched from Wensel Woodsman heads to the big Magnus 4 blade. He has killed a couple deer and loves the results. But again he wasn’t going from an El Grande to the Magnus. He did give it alota praise.

    • kingwouldbee
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      Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: King, I’m really looking forward to some more results with the 4 blades. Already know they handle bone far better than any of the 3 blade heads, and not nearly as well as the best profile 2 blade heads but we don’t have nearly enough information on how they stack up against bones of the large pig size animals, relative to such BH’s as the wide cut single blades. There’s also scant data on how they will perform at very high EFOC/Ultra-EFOC.

      Find more volunteers! Get more answers!

      Ed

      Doc. I’m your man, I will be back at my post, looking for new volunteers first chance I can get.lol

      I am thinking, (that can be dangerous) I might be giving up some of my bone crushing penetration for more soft tissue damage with this broadhead.

      The thing that I love about high efoc and the high MA of the El Grandy is, I have way more options of shot angle than with any other broadhead I have found.

      Yes, I have purposely shot through the scapula of both deer and hogs, I have not had one arrow/broadhead fail to breach the bone and most exiting the off side ( with the information I have used from your studies).

      I know that everything we do to our broadhead/arrow has ether a positive or negative effect on penetration, what is so funny, is the light bow, light arrow group telling people you don’t need that much to kill deer etc…..yes, if I hit the deer between the ribs on a full broadside shot, you could use a blunt hoe handle.

      With the information you have so selflessly shared with all of us, to use if we choose, I have found out, it offers me a lot more shot angles.

      I always shoot for the vitals, however I am not opposed to taking the long-way to get there, provided my set up is capable of reaching them with out fail.

    • Ed Ashby
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      kingwouldbee wrote: The thing that I love about high efoc and the high MA of the El Grandy is, I have way more options of shot angle than with any other broadhead I have found. … I always shoot for the vitals, however I am not opposed to taking the long-way to get there, provided my set up is capable of reaching them with out fail.

      I hope everyone keys in on that “providing my setup is capable of reaching them with out fail”. That’s the key, knowing with certainty what the capabilities of you and your equipment is. The ability to reach and penetrate through the vital organs from as many shot angles as possible is a very important feature for us bowhunters who stalk, rather than stand hunt. While it can’t be applied on the super size animals it can be used with deadly certainty and effectiveness on smaller big game. It all comes down to knowing what you and your setup are capable of, and then staying within those parameters.

      Ed

    • sagebrush
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      Hi Dave, Nice to see you’re still at it. Thanks for the posts. I like lots of pictures. It is more fun to read stories with pictures. I guess that’s a hold over from when I was a kid. Gary

    • youngbuck
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      This is a great post. I also love the pics (proof) with the stories/advice.

      I see that Trad hunting with a 2 blade is to easy for you so now you are using a 4 blade to force yourself to get better shots off.:roll: I have the same problem….lol

      Great job, I’m looking forward to the next post. Tks for sharing.

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