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  • kingwouldbee
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      If you tried to get a deer out of here whole, ( which you can’t ) there would be nothing left but mangled meat.

      Some Bowhunters don’t hunt corn fields, probable because theirs none around, lol

      We are around 12 miles back in the high country, I’m a boner-outer.8)

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      kingwouldbee
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        Thought this was interesting.

        kingwouldbee
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          now that is a happy new year 😀

          kingwouldbee
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            Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: From the photos ‘King’ posted it looks like there are some folks shooting arrow setups with which they should also avoid even slightly quartering away shots; which brings us right back to the capabilities of the individual AND the equipment he/she chooses to hunt with dictating what shot angles are acceptable.

            Ed

            Hi Doc. looking at the 2 BIONIC deer with arrows in them, both look to have only struck a rib as there are no other bones around there.

            As I look at the shot angles, most hunters would of took that shot angle, the problem was lack of PENETRATION, PENETRATION through a RIB

            Both you and I know poopoo happens in the REAL World, if I hunted in NARNIA,

            I could pretend that I never miss what I shoot at…..

            I could pretend that all of the deer I shoot at stand flat footed waiting for my arrow to get there…….

            I could pretend that I have never lost an animal I hit with an arrow…….

            I could pretend that I am the most ethical hunter of all, and all others, do not have my high standards.

            The truth is NARNIA is a fairytale.

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            kingwouldbee
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              Hi MontanaFord, glad to here you hunt on your feet also, I was just pointing out, vary few hunters ever have the shot that the diagram depicts, that shot is from about 2 feet off of the ground and flat broadside.

              In the real world, I would guess there is not 10 bowhunter on here who have ever had that shot, and I might be one of them.

              I had dug a pit blind on a saddle under a oak tree, I called the stand the “jacuzzi stand” because my head was just above the ground and I cut out a seat in the side of the pit just like a jacuzzi.

              As you can see in this pic, the shot is right in his heart angling slightly up ward.

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              kingwouldbee
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                Here is another one of those bionic deer, this shot is even farther back in softer tissue.

                The truth of the matter is deer are tough, and have a vary strong will to live.

                As can be seen from these pic’s, shot placement is only “ONE” ingredient to the success of a clean kill.

                Apparently both of the bow hunters made good shots, with bad equipment, there shots where both killing shots, there equipment failed, the broadhead failed to penetrate to a depth that would make for a clean kill.

                EQUIPMENT FAILED NOT SHOT PLACEMENT.

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                kingwouldbee
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                  The arrow in this doe looks to only be in the rib cage, also the arrow looks like it was shot at a quartering away angle.

                  I know that the DNA of does hasn’t changed over the last 50 years, then how is this bionic doe able to take such a well placed shot?

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                  kingwouldbee
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                    MontanaFord wrote: I was able to find a well-drawn diagram of a whitetail deer’s anatomy. If you look at it, you can see that the shoulder blade is actually quite high on the deer. Basically clear up against the spine. Who’s going to shoot that high on purpose anyway? So by aiming farther forward than the crease behind the shoulder, WHY NOT aim farther forward and put your point of aim closer to the center of the vital mass? Here’s the diagram. Let’s see if it’ll actually work for me or not.

                    Montanaford, did you look at the pic you posted, do you hunt out of a pit blind, the angle of that deer is from about 2 feet off the ground to have that shot angle, most of the whitetail wouldbes hunt from trees.

                    This shot might be a little more realistic, this is where I want more than I need.

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                    kingwouldbee
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                      Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: King, I’m really looking forward to some more results with the 4 blades. Already know they handle bone far better than any of the 3 blade heads, and not nearly as well as the best profile 2 blade heads but we don’t have nearly enough information on how they stack up against bones of the large pig size animals, relative to such BH’s as the wide cut single blades. There’s also scant data on how they will perform at very high EFOC/Ultra-EFOC.

                      Find more volunteers! Get more answers!

                      Ed

                      Doc. I’m your man, I will be back at my post, looking for new volunteers first chance I can get.lol

                      I am thinking, (that can be dangerous) I might be giving up some of my bone crushing penetration for more soft tissue damage with this broadhead.

                      The thing that I love about high efoc and the high MA of the El Grandy is, I have way more options of shot angle than with any other broadhead I have found.

                      Yes, I have purposely shot through the scapula of both deer and hogs, I have not had one arrow/broadhead fail to breach the bone and most exiting the off side ( with the information I have used from your studies).

                      I know that everything we do to our broadhead/arrow has ether a positive or negative effect on penetration, what is so funny, is the light bow, light arrow group telling people you don’t need that much to kill deer etc…..yes, if I hit the deer between the ribs on a full broadside shot, you could use a blunt hoe handle.

                      With the information you have so selflessly shared with all of us, to use if we choose, I have found out, it offers me a lot more shot angles.

                      I always shoot for the vitals, however I am not opposed to taking the long-way to get there, provided my set up is capable of reaching them with out fail.

                      kingwouldbee
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                        sapcut wrote: Good job King. Are you thinking the Magnus is your “go to” broadhead now. Traitor! 😈

                        “Go to head” might be pushing it, I was impressed with the damage and blood trail, however, as I have said before, blood on the ground has more to do with the sharpness of the head and what was cut, than how many blades the head has.

                        I will shoot some more hogs with them, and eventually have an opinion of them, 1 hog is not enough to know anything, other than it killed it dead, more from where it was hit than anything.

                        Now what will happen if I strike heavy bone, I don’t know yet, I will have to do some test on the scapula and pelvis.

                        kingwouldbee
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                          Happy new year Dave, well this one was still good, he was about 150lbs, as they move up on the scale, they can get rough, mostly from the hormones.

                          I give’um the smell test, if they smell rank! they usually are, if they smell ( not bad ) there usually good.

                          For the best eaters under 100lb sow’s.

                          The thing about hogs are, they are so prolific they move into a nuisance animal real quick, as our Texas brothers are experiencing, they have declared all out war on them.

                          Once hogs have a foot hold in an area, and there is brush for them to hide/escape into, you can hardly remove them.

                          The nature conservancy ( an animal rights group ) spent 12 million dollars to eradicate the hogs on Santa Cruz Island, the only way they could do it, was to section the Island off with hog prof fences and kill every thing in that section then move to the next.

                          So for the price of a hog tag ( California makes you pay for everything ) you can take as many as you want.

                          I’m just a servant of the people, doing my part to keep the pig population in balance 🙄

                          This one was 189lbs at the butcher with no head, hide or guts, that puts him right around 300 and he was vary tasty, however he was feeding in the alfalfa fields.

                          I rarely if ever take them out whole, the one on the game dolly was at my friends spot and it’s relatively flat, if I tried to put one on a dolly in my spot, you would go for the ride of your life, I bone them out 99% of the time.

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                          kingwouldbee
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                            I was shooting a 58″ Centaur chimera @ 60lbs a 640 grain footed arrow with 27% efoc.

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                            kingwouldbee
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                              The wonderful thing about hog hunting is, they are perfect animals to Trad-Bowhunt, the season is unlimited, 365 days a year.

                              As a lot of you know, I am a big Grizzly El grandy fan, I changed the tip on the magnus to a chisel tip, the arrow did slice a rib on the entrance, with one side of the bleader blade slightly binding, yet no real damage to the blade.

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                              kingwouldbee
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                                He had a pretty thick shield

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                                kingwouldbee
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                                  He broke the arrow as he was doing his calisthenics, I placed it back in the hole, but I see, I did not line it up.

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