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in reply to: New heavyweight Tuffhead is here #59153

This is a Boar I shot before the battery’s died.

I hit him a little far back as he was moving, he only went a ways and was feeling real bad, standing still, I was able to sneak into about 20 yards and shoot him again.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: New heavyweight Tuffhead is here #59137

300 success, I like these even better than Joe’s 225, I took the picks with my phone as my battery’s where dead and I had no extras.

15 yard shot, 740 grain arrow with 35.07% efoc out of 60lb longbow, jumped through it like it wasn’t there

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Coues kill — arrow set-up #59114

Right on Dave, I love the desert in January, just a great place to be, those little desert dudes are fun also, icing on your cake.

I would pay good money to see your black and blue backside lol, nothing over a dollar tho lol.

Just a few of my observations about arrow / broadhead lethality, and a little experience with a single bevel.

I would have to agree with Doc. Ashby about hitting the spine a lot harder than just glancing off of it, more than likely you blew a chunk off of it, or split it, ( the only way a game animal is dropping in there tracks, is, they can’t move there legs ) the spine had to have a severe blow to it, to pinch or put pressure on the spinal cord, to disconnect the legs from moving.

Any sharp ( doesn’t even have to be that sharp ) broadhead through the vital organs is a dead animal. However, in my observation the sharper a head is, the quicker and more massive the hemorrhaging it produces, it also has a tendency to NOT stop bleeding.

In the beginning of my bowhunting life, we had no mentors and people to call on to educate us, so we hunted with broadheads out of the package, MA-3, Bodkins and even Ziwickys, did we kill ? you bet we did, lots of kills and lots of hard tracking.

Then someone told me to sharpen my broadheads and it would make for a QUICKER kill and a easier tracking job, thank God I listed to them, I could of rejected there unsolicited advise, and told the guy to mind his own business, I already had a big list of kills, and there was no reason to change my already successful ways.

But I thought, let me try it and see if there is any difference. If I recall correctly it was Bodkins I file sharpened, and guess what? I did notice a difference ( even though the metal is so soft, it’s hard to get a honed edge ) there was blood every where, and the trail was short.

I have always hunted with 55-70 lb bows and I did not always get a pass through, I have always wanted 2 holes, knowing that an exit is most desirable, that’s when I bought some grizzly 125’s, not knowing anything about this stupid single bevel, I just wanted a sleek broadhead to get more penetration, and again, I did notice, I was getting deeper penetration with this sleek broadhead with more exits.

I remember reading about this crazy doctor who lived in the bush, he did a study for Natal province in South Africa in 1985, my eyes where opened, I began to build the “MOST LETHAL” arrow I could design, my broadheads and arrows have changed over and over working on the best I could put together.

Right now my best is a Tuffhead 300gn with a 100gn steel adaptor, 4″ of 2117 over a 300 Goldtip 29″ long with 4×2″ A&A fletch, it has a 35.07% EFOC for a total arrow weight of 740 grains, out of a 60lb longbow.

Why single bevel? 1st it’s SHARPER, period. no if’s, and’s or but’s about it, as Ricky Bobby said: it’s science lol

2nd it pops or splits bone easier, allowing the broadhead to keep penetrating deeper into the vitals or creating an exit.

Just my 2 cents, and glade your OK.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #52576

Glad you understood my jesting 😀

I hear ya Doc. I had a coyote watch my arrow come for him and just duct as it got to him, and kept looking at me why I tried to reload, never got him

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #52452

Steve Sr…. well said my friend….. you gots lots of words in you 😀 good job

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #52450

Doc, that’s it….. you are now the mad scientist……..lol, I’m just a wouldbe hunter who gets to reap the benefits of guys like you and Adcock.

Is everything a test for you?….. I think you hunt with a slide ruler and a calculator in your back quiver, I don’t think that’s traditional…lol

I’m just teasing you…..like usual I don’t believe anything I hear and half of what I see….I have to prove it.

The first time I saw what an animal can do at the shot was the move Bowhunting October whitetails with the Wensals, they show a deer drop a full body’s width in 2/10th of a second, I could not believe what I saw.

We usually think they jumped the string, I think they usually jump the arrow.

Several years ago I shot at a buck coming from my left to my right on the ground @ 12 yards, I was shooting a 60lb Brackenberry with a 2117 arrow, zewicky broadhead and 3×5″ feathers, the buck had know idea I was there, he was able to do a compleat 180 turn and the arrow cought him in the oposit shoulder that I shot him in, as he ran away with the feathers sticking out of the opsit shoulder I was dumfounded as to what had just happend.

Really, it happened so fast I could not tell you what had just happend, when I found the buck the arrow was sticking out of the shoulder on his left side, if I had a high speed camera on him you would of saw him spin in his tracks and the arrow hit him on his opposit shoulder.

To me hogs are the fastest thing in the wild for the first 2 feet, it seem they don’t have to bend there knees to move, they just thrust them selves forward, or spin in there tracks, a quit arrow is a must.

P.S Doc. I have to make a cheet sheet for the things I need to do after the kill. I forget most of what I wanted to do until I get home.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #52223

Kingwouldbe wrote: http://youtu.be/GO1U_bnUyzk

This link is a penetration test we did, 😯

So sorry about all the movement, you get the unedited version as I don’t know how to do any editing, you might want to take a Dramamine pill first.

Check out my face at the end, I can’t believe how tough he is, now remember, I’m shooting a 60lb 58″ Centaur Chimera and a 640 arrow @ 6 yards and the 225 grain tuffhead, EFOC of 29% 😯

For me, regarding fletch size, the most important thing (after arrow flight of course ) is quite, when you do your hunting from the ground the animals are vary aware of whats going on around them and can react as fast as lightning.

My hunting buddy Vance and I have shot at each other from across canyon, we shoot past each other as we hide behind a large tree, ( in case one of us has a bow-gas-um, it will hit the tree ) you would not believe how laud a arrow flying in the quite out doors is, the arrow sounds like a flu-flu, I could get my fat butt out of the way before it hit me ( don’t try it though )most of the game animals are moving as we hit them in real life, it happens so fast our eye cant see it.

We think they moved after the shot, the truth is they hear the arrow coming, and start to move with the arrow just a few feet from them.

After going to this little A&A feather it is much quieter, and that’s what I want, “QUIT ARROW FLIGHT” creates less reaction in the game.

As I said in the story at the beginning, I caught him flat footed, he had 30 yards to hear the arrow coming, yet he sat there, with out a doubt, he did not hear it or it was vary quit as to not create a response in him to move.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #50148

http://youtu.be/GO1U_bnUyzk

This link is a penetration test we did, 😯

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #49423

Troy Breeding wrote: King,

If you don’t mind go futher in depth on your arrow discription. I don’t mean to sound like I’m just looking to copy or anything. I’m interested in the brand, length, insert, footing, feather setup and most of all what your draw length is.

I’m just really getting into high EFOC and UEFOC arrows and I’m having trouble getting anthing close to what you have. Currently I’m using Beman Bowhunter 300 shafts. I have some of the 100gr brass inserts on order so to compensate I’m using the standard 21gr alum. insert and 80grs of GT weights behind. So far I have managed to get everything working pretty good using a 250gr point on a 32-1/8″ shaft. My total weight right now is 670grs. Ed pointed out that I could increase my EFOC by dropping the wrap and three 4″ feathers and going to a smaller fletch. He was dead on, my EFOC went from 24.4% to 26.4% when I only used three 2-1/4″ feathers. I may have trouble with this setup when I try shooting a broadhead. If so, I will try going to a four fletch, even if I have to up the feather length to 3″.

Currently I’m shooting a 55# bow of my design and I have a 29-29.5″ draw.

Any help would greatly be appreicated.

Troy

Hi Troy,
I am currently shooting the goldtip ultralight 300 @ 29″ I draw 28″ I foot the arrow with 3″ of 2117 aluminum shaft, I also put a 60 grain brass screw from the hardware store, you get 4 for $1.00 into the back of the insert, I shoot 4×2″ feather cut straight about a half inch tall, with high EFOV and a tuned arrow you do not need a lot of fletching, my arrow flies silently down range.

I am also working on the same arrow cut to 28 1/4 and 5″ of 2117 external footing and 6″ of carbon shaft internal footing, I want to get to 35% or more UEFOC, I might try 4×1″ to see what happens, I was shooting a 750 grain arrow with high EFOC in the rain and the fletch lay-ed down and my arrow was still flying perfectly.

If your arrow is tuned and you have good shooting form you do not need vary much fletching, has been my observation, which if you would of told me a few years ago when I was shooting 5″ helical, I would of laughed at you, some time it’s not easy to change the standard, or “this is the way we have always done it mentality”.

Hope this helps
David

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #47894

Doc. I remember seeing and reading that article, I have seen it on the hides of some animals, just never on a heart, and the hole in his heart was about 2″ just like in your study.

How on earth could I fake the same thing you faked in your study 😯 Did I say that out loud ………………..OH! that’s right you did not fake anything, you just reported your findings.

That’s amazing that I could get the same results as you got on a buffalo, I will say; that on a hog of this size, I want more penetration, the Tuffhead did go right through the thickest part of his shield and that stuff is so hard, there is no doubt in my mind, that if I was using a wider or a 3 or 4 blade head, I would of never made it into the vitals of this dude, his shield just eats up anything that tries to penetrate it.

It would of been another big boar story about the one a guy hit perfect yet, they never found it, ( I hear that story way to often )I find it absolutely amazing how tough a big boar is.

As I have said before, you can kill smaller or immature boars with some really light tackle, and your arrow will jump through them like budder, however as they age they begin to grow a shield, and it gets thicker and thicker, this boar was around 7-8 years old, there last set of molars don’t come out until the 5th year and his where wore down.

If your looking for a meat pig shoot one under a 100lb, this dude smells like the Coliseum urinal @ half time, um strong smelling if you get my drift.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: A couple of pretty cool pictures #47320

You both have great form.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #47307

Steertalker wrote: King,

I just talked to Joe Furlong about my problem and he’s sending me new BH’s…no charge. Now that is what I call customer service:wink: Anyway…he thinks my first batch may have had some problems.

Brett

OUTSTANDING, Joe is top notch Brett, now you just have to get that Bull Elk and show us.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #47299

Doc. on this arrow I only have one footing about 3″.

I did make some up with internal and external footings, but they came out to stiff, so I have those saved for when the Tuffhead gets the 300 + 125 insert, then Katti bar the door.

Ed have you seen this type of hole before? it looked like a quarter of the heart was pealed open, yet I could close it all back, it did not look like it was sliced multiple times like I first though.

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #46747

Thanks guys, I’m just a Hog-aholic, I can’t stop.

My arrow was wrong in the video, I miss spoke, it was a 660 grain total arrow weight, out of a 60lb Centaur chimera 58″ I am working on a 742 grain arrow

I had no problem mounting the broadhead, I used hot melt, I did push hard to get them seated, but I always push real hard, some times slamming them down a few time on my bench, they spin like a top.

The hole the Tuffhead put into the heart still amazes me

[kingwouldbe]

in reply to: Kingwouldbe & Tuffhead #46064

Well Dave, I already smoked it 😆 I was a little nervous about this one, I knew he was big and strong, he went about 200 yards with that hole in his heart 😯 I smoked a cigar trying to be patient to let the arrow do it’s job, it already had and Vance heard it roll, I was just not taking any chances on bumping him.

I bought those X-ray glasses in the back of the magazine, they work great, only $2 a pair 🙄 lol

Thanks Bro….

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