[johnny2]

in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #17208

Just thought I’d poke this old thread with a stick and see if there were any more debates in it.

Please, no more instructions on how to turn off my T.V. or comments on my emotional state. However, if you don’t like the content of my posts you can A: read another post B: don’t read any post or C: turn off your computer.

Just messin with you guys.:D

Thank you

Johnny

[johnny2]

in reply to: NRA pros and cons #14416

Clay, I have no problem with carrying a handgun. I don’t carry but I do have a loaded 357 in my night stand. I agree that we don’t need more laws we need better law enforcement.

While looking at the video we, as gun owners, see what you saw. A peaceful demonstration of gun owner rights. What you have to do is look at that video through the eyes of someone that doesn’t own a gun, that didn’t grow up with guns in their houses as many of us did. In that light the guy comes out looking a lot different. A visible side arm, a message board with a quote that could be construed as a call for revolution, all this at an event for a democratic president. See where I’m goin? A: this guy is trying to push every button he can with liberals, or, B: this guy is really trying to start something. If this is the only gun owner many non gun owners see we may be digging our own hole. We must look at our image from as many angles as possible.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #13708

Apparently you don’t know anyone that owns fully auto weapons. I know two. I have been present when said weapon was fired. Neither of these guys has a criminal record. Both scare me with an automatic weapon in hand. Assault rifles ARE scary, they were built exclusively to kill people. Yes, with a permit you can own a fully auto weapon. But why would you want to?

I mentioned the bazooka tongue in cheek. My point was where does it stop. I hate to break this to everyone but we can’t all do everything that we want to. There are rules. The majority sets the rules. I just don’t think the best way to sway the majority is to persist with an “us” versus “them” mentality.

At the risk of offending everyone, does anyone here actually know and talk to people that don’t own weapons or hunt? I suggest that we all do and present ourselves as considerate citizens instead of the “my way or else” attitude that seems to prevail with the NRA. There are lots of view points out there and if the only people you talk to are your hunting peers then you are in effect “preachin to the choir” while likewise narrowing your own view. Like it or not there is a big picture to look at.

Let me tell ya’ll where I’m coming from, literally. I live in a hundred year old farm house(that I’ll be fixing up for years) ten miles from the nearest town of four hundred and four miles from the Ozark National Forest. The local school shut down for the first day of deer season up till five years ago. I have hunted and fished for over thirty years. My wife and daughters hunt and fish(we live on wild meat). We attend a small church in the woods. I chew tobacco. I drive a Ford 4×4 and an 81 Jeep CJ5. For Pete’s sake my wife drives a Ford pickup truck. By some accounts we are the definition of conservative redneck. Most of our neighbors live similiar lifestyles. Yet even in our backwoods community these issues have come up. Welcome to the new century(crap, almost a new decade). It’s time to update our ideas to protect our rights.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12816

Wow is right! After reading your post I can’t believe we saw the same video. That’s why this is such a great country, everyone can express their opinion.

One other question to anyone who cares to respond. After re-reading past posts “they” are mentioned a few times in reference to taking our guns. Who is they? I haven’t found evidence of any govt agency trying to take our guns other than assault weapons. Yes, some people don’t understand why we want to own guns for hunting or protection and they lobby for more laws out of ignorance. Shouldn’t the NRA educate and …. here comes something radical…..COMPROMISE and CONSIDER other opinions instead of alienating folks that don’t own guns? Seems like I’ve heard something about catching more flies with honey…..:idea::D

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12572

Well, after viewing this video I believe it makes my point. Why in the world would you bring a gun to a presidential event? I believe his intent was to bring to light certain rights we enjoy but how could this possibly put gun owners in a good light? And don’t ya just have that gut feelin that Mr. Kostric will soon be(if not already) an NRA poster child.
For the most part this interview had little to do with gun rights and everything to do with a left wing advocate and a umm…..I don’t know what you would call Mr. Kostric but he is certainly an extremist, discussing other social and government philosophies. Two people that I believe most of America would have a tough time relating to. Actually later in the interview Mr Mathews, an openly liberal member of the media, claims he has no problem with our second amendment. This tells me that sometimes we as gun owners are our own worst enemy( no gun brought to the event = no discussion about whether you should or not). I’ll say it again, at some point common sense and social resposibility have to be the bottom line.
A few years back smoking in a public building was banned in my state, the same arguement that we were losing rights was the rallying cry of the smoking crowd. The fact that my children and myself inhaled their poison and that my clothes reeked after leaving a smoke filled convenience store didn’t concern them at all. We all have to consider the thoughts and feelings of our fellow citizens. That is how a society works.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #62043

“The NRA needs to stay focused on gun rights” is exactly the point. That being said, I don’t buy all the scare tactics about the government waiting in the wings to swoop in and take our guns. The extremists, left or right, will not decide our fate. It will be the majority in the middle, and when the face of gun owners is an organization that seems to far out in right field for most Americans, we have a problem. And if you don’t think the NRA has an image problem just ask your friends that don’t own guns or hunt. I have. Case in point: the NRA says gun owners should be allowed to own and use any weapon they choose. I’m of course talking about assault and fully automatic weapons. Where do you draw the line of common sense and social responsibility? What about the guys who want to own and hunt with bazookas? 😉

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #44314

Let’s be honest here, giving money to the NRA is in essence donating to the republican party and while I agree with most republican ideas I also disagree with many mainly concerning enviromental issues. If I must choose between my bow and guns or the well being of our wild places, flora, and fauna, well, I’ll turn in my weapons today. My suggestion is to change the NRA from an extension of the GOP to a non-partisan entity. Use some money and time to change the minds of voters and politicians on gun issues not to convert them to the other party. Everyone agrees that the NRA is the voice for gun owners. The members and potential members need to tell the NRA what that voice shoud be saying, but sadly most of us sit back and say that what we have now is the best we can hope for.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #44886

Pothunter, dude, I’m just curious as to what folks think. Nobody is labeling anyone anything. I’ve voiced my opinion what’s yours. Maybe this subject is a little deeper than you care to comment on, fine, don’t comment. It’s not religious, where did you get that? Nobody is trying to bait you into an answer and then condemn you for it. Let me make one other thing clear I’ve been hunting for over thirty years, I’ve killed numerous animals, I have no problem with the death of animal or the blood. My problem is with the marketing of the act. It’s just something to think about, and I want to know what folks are thinking. I know it’s a very controversial subject, I can tell by the way most of you dance around it. You talk about me being angry or if I don’t like it don’t watch but you don’t answer the question. For those of you who answered boldly, thank you and I respect your thoughts, even if you didn’t agree with me.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #43691

(sigh) First I want to thank everyone for telling me my t.v. has an off button:D. One question, yes or no answer. Is it right to make money by killing animals for public view? What is your opinion on this question.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #42775

I am not a seething bundle of anger , but I do get angry when good things( or good people, but that’s a different subject) are exploited. Why is everyone so concerned with a diagnosis of my feelings? This is starting to look like my 14 year old daughter’s facebook page. I believe I’ve made my feelings quite clear. I want to know yours. I don’t want to fight about it, I want to discuss it, maybe open some minds to a new way of looking at things. Likewise I hope there are some thoughts out there that will broaden my thinking, but I don’t think your gonna change my mind. Peace.

[johnny2]

in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #41917

Texasota, again, don’t try to guess my feelings. You don’t know anything about me other than this post. Let’s just stick to the subject. Yes, we’ve established that some people make a living doing this, do you think it’s right for people to make money by killing animals for public view. That’s it, that’s my only question.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #41869

Guys, let’s not try to guess my feelings or turn this into something personal. I do think I need to clarify, when I say non hunters I don’t mean anti hunters I mean the large numbers of people who aren’t fully on either side . I’m asking what your views are and expressing mine. I’m just concerned about where we’re headed as a hunting community. I understand the living vicariously thing. I love to hear other peoples stories too. When I look at a deer or turkey or any wild animal I see a wonderful creation, any time I see an animal while I’m hunting it literally takes my breath away. Time in the woods is precious and sacred. I get angry when other people look at these things that I love so much as a way to make money. It just seems disrespectful and wrong. I don’t think a bunch of new hunters tutored by the outdoor channel is a good idea either. Maybe folks like us who have been hunting for a few years should be doing the promoting and tutoring. Like I said before, this is a topic to think about.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #41178

I’ve been hunting for over 30 years, I know animals get killed. I don’t watch them, but because these shows are public they represent all of us to some degree. I’m not saying these shows are the same as market hunting, I’m saying there are parallels( killing wild animals = $$$$). You guys need to READ my posts. If you read my post you’ll understand where I’m coming from. I’m simply asking, should money be made on the killing of wild animals for public viewing. You don’t need video to sell hunting equipment, that was going on long before video came along. Should everything come down to how much money can be made from it? Most of you who have replied seem to have accepted the idea that everything does come down to money. I’m not saying all of YOU are greedy, I’m asking you to think a little deeper. I’m asking where do we draw the line and say some things aren’t for sale.

[johnny2]

in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #40330

Let me rephrase my last comment, some things shouldn’t be viewed in public. I don’t know what shows you’ve seen but the ones I’ve seen are the very definition of blood sport. Market hunting was not a sport. I don’t view any hunting as a sport.I don’t understand your statements. I know some guys that have a hunting show, telling a story is not why they got into it. Promoting products and, I believe personal promotion, are their motives. In other words, money and ego. I’ve been reading a Dave Peterson book, so I’ll admit, this topic is fresh and hot on my mind, but these deep issues need to be addressed. The non hunters will control our future, we need to keep our lifestyle pure.

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in reply to: Black walnut bows? #40180

I don’t know of anyone, but that would be a gorgeous bow. I hope someone has some info.

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