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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #12324

Patrick wrote: I had wanted to post A LONG TIME AGO to this thread, but just didn’t have the time. There was a discussion on the previous forum that I restrained myself from adding my two cents worth to as well. I’ll be brief:

To me it’s simple. This country was founded on the idea of LIBERTY being of utmost importance. The limited government we are SUPPOSE to have was a very precious gift brought about by our Founding Fathers and it should be considered as such. With this freedom, comes responsibility… individual responsibility. As government becomes more entrenched in our daily lives, people become more and more dependent on the government. It evolves into supposed entitlements. The government becomes more restrictive, we lose our freedom I don’t think the NRA goes far enough. Conservation is important. But I think so many people are so short sighted that they don’t really think about the fact that we have only had this country for 200 years. We take our freedoms for granted. Please do yourselves a favor and read:
“The 5000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen
“The Founders’ Second Amendment” by Stephen P. Halbrook
I could go on but I have to get back to work 🙂

[fixing typos…I was working on very short time limit. LOL]

On the contrary, concern for our enviroment would require a very broad view of the big picture. With no place to hunt what would be the point of anything on this website. Indeed, we all need clean air, clean water, a place to stretch our legs, and some places on this earth not touched by human hands with or without our guns and bows. I believe if this is not of paramount concern to someone short-sighted would be the very definition of their views.

I also believe the “chicken little syndrome” is running rampant among us and I believe the NRA fuels these fears. I’m sorry, I just don’t believe the democratic party is on a mission to turn us into a communist state.

Why can’t the NRA change their approach to protecting our rights? Maybe a less intimidating image to folks that don’t own guns.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #62515

I don’t have a problem with the idea of an organization protecting our gun rights, I have a problem with the way the NRA does it. I believe there are better, more effective ways. And I don’t believe you should compromise any other political view point to protect your guns(again, conservation issues come to mind), but if I must, some things are more important than my guns.
I don’t want to cover everything I’ve already said on this post, so in summary; I believe the NRA is more concerned with the republican party agenda when they should focus on gun owner agenda. I also think they would rather be a bully than work towards agreements we can all live with. I am well informed, I read things other than NRA/republican literature. Because I am informed I cannot support them.

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in reply to: NRA pros and cons #61347

Firearms are not the pre-requisite to the right to own archery equipment. Ever hear of Will and Maurice Thompson?
I would challenge your first statement as well because most info about how much the NRA does comes from the NRA

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in reply to: Very Disturbed!! Suggestions? #60085

Hey Steve, I think Greatreearcher said it best with the stages hunters go through. I have been through all of them and believe I’m currently in the last two.

I hunted with a compound for over twenty years and your nephews actions sound similiar to what my friends and I did a few years back. After about three years of pursuing P&Y bucks we went opposite directions. I picked up a longbow and they started their own hunting show. I am happy with any legal deer, they won’t even hunt in Arkansas cause their odds for taking a “shooter” are better in other states. My only concern was their motives, but who am I to judge someones motives(except about their show, and everyone knows how I feel about that):D. We don’t talk much anymore because as hunters we have little in common. They think I’m some kind of elitist weirdo, which I may very well be:D.

The only thing that I would not waver on is respect for the tradition of hunting and respect for the animal. As long as a hunter shows due respect I don’t have a problem. The only thing is that just as everyones methods are not the same so is everyones definition of respect not the same.

Just remember, it is very difficult for a young man to look past his ego and the urge to compete in everything. I’ll bet his thinking changes as he gets older.

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in reply to: Waiting For Autumn – And Longshadow Time #53501

Steve, my brother, you have a gift. I encourage you to write more.

Johnny

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in reply to: A Bow Hunters's Prayer #53167

Those words should be in the heart of every hunter.

Thanks Steve

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #48954

J.W, that last paragraph sums up a lot for me. You worded it perfectly. To put my personal spin on it, watching the videos seems like a shortcut

GTA, your takin all this way to personal. I’m not attacking filming, I’m attacking the motives behind the filming.
I know a couple of guys that do a show on local t.v. with aspirations of hitting “the bigtime”.I traveled on out of state hunts with them. We were all very good friends. Their motives were questionable before they pursued fame and money so I distanced myself and now only speak to them on chance meetings. I know how this business works and I assure you no one gets in front of the camera without compensation. They ain’t doin it just for fun. And hey, if the producers require them to do something in bad taste or worse, be a man, draw a line, quit, whatever it takes. You are the one responsible for your actions. Yes, they get paid. I believe this is the definition of a sell-out.

GTA, I would never make a personal attack on you, but if you are putting your videos out there to promote yourself I would take a couple steps back and look closely at your own motives. I admire your passion and your willingness to state your thoughts but I know how easy it is for a young man to charge ahead without thinking things through. I’ve been there.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #47205

GTA, you just don’t get it man. Getting away from all the new stuff is what hunting, especially trad hunting, is about. A return to our more primitive roots. It’s about the journey, not the destination. The most satisfying moments come from doing things the hard way(not the Tred Barta way) and doing them on your own. Again, I think as you get older you will understand this.

As for Waddel, you need not look any further than the title of his show, “Bone Collector”. You can’t get much more disrespectful than reducing an animal to the amount of inches on his head to add to your collection. Sad… and perverse.

As I’ve said before, I have no problem with reading about the expertise and experiences of other hunters. It’s just that even any glimmer of education on those videos is lost in the greasy marketing and ego.

Sometimes I wrestle with the reasons I find video hunting so offensive since I really enjoy outdoor literature and would like to write some articles and short stories myself. Are the differences that significant? Am I giving these folks a fair shake? Even trying to justify all they do and looking at other viewpoints what it boils down to is that in my heart and soul I just feel that they are wrong. As I’ve grown older I find that little voice of my conscience is usually right.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #45795

Wary Buck(and anyone else who read my question wrong), my question was is it right to make money killing animals for public viewing. Please read the posts, all of the posts, carefully before making a judgement as to whom I am refering with my statements. If you don’t you are in essence putting words in my mouth.

Please, someone give me an instance where anything on the outdoor channel was educational without putting in a plug for a product.

And I’m sorry, but I just don’t believe that there aren’t plenty of experienced outdoorsmen everywhere that will share their experience with beginners. My Dad didn’t bowhunt, turkey hunt or bass fish so you know what I did, I found guys that knew how to do these things and asked them for advice. I don’t recall ever being turned down and I see that same spirit alive and well today. But you know what my best teacher was, my own screw ups. My Dad wasn’t around to help me clean my first deer and the guy with me had never klled one. We didn’t go looking for a video, we got out our knives and learned how. On the job training is another word for it. Why does everyone need someone to hold their hand( or watch a video). To borrow a phrase from Nike back in the day “Just Do It”. Here’s a tip for you, turn of the t.v. and get off the couch because the guys and experience that can help you aren’t there. I think the education argument is pretty weak. Do we really want beginners trained by the outdoor channel anyway. Do you guys realize what your saying? Learning woodsmanship by watching t.v…..does that even make sense? I thought the whole point of these outdoor pursuits was the journey and personal experience anyway. I think it’s a sad situation to need the crutch of a video how-to to enjoy your primal lifestyle.

There are awful things done in this world that are justified by the phrase “it’s just business” and I can tell from some of your posts many of you feel that making a living justifies these videos. I say some things shouldn’t be for sale and I’m drawing a line here in my life. I encourage everyone to really think on this subject. It reflects on all of us as hunters.

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in reply to: Defining "Traditional" Bowhunting #20479

O.K. this is really personal and ya’ll will probably think I’m crazy(you may already think that from my previous posts) but my hunting fantasy is me jumping from a tree limb onto the back of a deer with nothing but my pocket knife. So far I haven’t found any game regulations concerning this method. If any of you do please forward to me A.S.A.P. Thanks.:D

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in reply to: a familiar cooling breeze #20361

Best night I ever had; my wife, daughters and myself watching the night sky till we all dozed off.

Cool front is here!! Lows probably in the fifties next few nights. Not bad for Arkansas in August.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #19394

GTA, I’ll wait another fifteen or twenty years to debate with you. You have much to learn grasshopper.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #18304

The animals are not reduced to “shooters”, there are few if any kills shown, nobody is standing over a dead animal trying to peddle a bag of attractant, no hip-hop handshakes, no lodge banner in the background, no Pope and Young class egos, no motorcycles, respect for the animals is in evidence. Need I go on? Read my post dude. Products that help a hunter out, expertise, I got no problem with making a living on that. But refresh my memory, were there any ads in that video? I don’t think so. Did these guys make this video to promote themselves? No. I watched Gene and Barry’s videos years ago. They were always educational and thoughtful. Now flip on any show on the outdoor channel and ask these same questions. Better yet actually talk to some of these folks if you get a chance. I have. Common sense , respect, and everything in moderation.

Speak for yourself, the most precious things in MY life don’t revolve around money.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #18253

GTA, the fact that you think Mathews is the bedrock of the bowhunting lifestyle confirms my previous suspicions. Bowhunting is supposed to be hard. The hard is what makes it good. Read the back page on the latest issue of TBM.

Steve, maybe I got a little carried away there. Heck maybe you guys were right earlier in the thread, I do get angry. I think bullyboys post fired me up. But come on, there is a difference between providing some products to help a hunter out and the greed that permeates these shows nowadays. As I’ve stated in previous posts I have lots of problems with these shows. As I’ve also said before, I grew up on outdoor books and magazines. People with nothing to sell but a story, and the expertise to give good advice as is the case(sometimes) today. There is no comparing the Curt Gowdy shows and Primal Dreams With the trash on the outdoor channel I don’t care what magazine backs it or whether a host shoots traditional or not. What valuable hunting info can be gleaned from our current crop of hunting heros? What lodge to stay in? What bow to shoot? What kind of feeder to buy? Perhaps it’s just a sign of the times. This is the age of instant celebrity(with no real talent).

I take it personally. It’s a reflection on me as a hunter and it reduces my lifestyle to a marketing ploy and ego trip.

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in reply to: hunting shows part 2 #18160

I don’t know about you but my idea of hunting is not, has not, or will ever be run by advertisement on any show! Furthermore, NO part of my life will be!

GTA, I’m going to assume from your posts and your picture that you are a young man. You probably haven’t known a time without hunting shows. Do a little research, hunting is as old as homo sapiens as a species. It will never be “run” by any greedy attempt for financial gain. It is in fact an attempt by most conscientious hunters to free themselves from the shackles of these crappy “civilized” ways of making a living, constant corporate ad bombardment and overall lunacy of our modern world. In short, part of the reason I hunt is to rebel or ” give the finger” so to speak, in the face of all that junk!

This was one of my points on all my other posts. Please, all you gadget mfgs, all you wannabe huntin heros, all you corporate fat daddys jumping on the hunting badwagon. You can and have run amok with everything else in this world. Just leave our outdoor pursuits honest and pure!

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