[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: feather hitting hand #60806

skinnerbiscuit

try shifting the shaft/nock slightly as troy mentioned.

I have also heard that one can just turn the cock feather in { towards the window }and it will shoot fine and not bite. worth checking – especially if you have a lot of right wing feathers

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: feather hitting hand #60725

skinnerbiscuit —

the only time I have had this happen to me was when i shot right wing helical fletched arrows [ I am right handed]. they hit my bow [left] hand {1st finger} if I choked up too high on the handle—-it does not happen with left hel – for me anyway

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60634

Smithhammer –

Exactly – it is the reason I am on this forum. Most of the others I am familiar with [not just archery]I had no interest in Joining for the reasons you just stated. I appreciate this forum { and the Folks here}very much and it has helped me further my Knowledge and assisted me greatly in my return to Traditional Archery

thanks all

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60473

PS –

I am always interested in the equipment used to have a better understanding of its reliability to kill game cleanly. I did a lot of “Necropsy” in the past in relation to firearms, Too determine for myself how well certain weapons/ammo combos trully performed – not just what the Salesmen/merchandizers would have one believe. I am basically doing the same here, starting out with what the more experienced members have used to help steer me down the correct path and enhance my choice of arrows[bow] performance.

I am fully aware of the Prime role of Accuracy and Sharpness.

thanks to all

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Hey Newbreedarcher – I hope you got the info you wanted -haha

[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60463

Jason —

Yes thank you for the detailed response, that is what I am interested in. trying to look at all the info I can.

I totally agree that everyone should make there own decisions,and the individuality of tradbow is part of the attraction.

My own current arrows are in the 640-730gr weight [ wood -carbon]225 tuffhds. 160fps. I like the extra weight without too much loss of velocity.

I wish I had your skill, those are very close shots -still working on that part – haha. I also would shoot again until they go down.

I wish I could write as much as fast as all you guys — I am always afraid of running out of time and then have to edit later – haha

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60426

I would interpret the Info that the Doc posted [ I think the latest one was 91] was pre common{yes I know even now it is not common – maybe knowledge of} use of the Efoc/single bevel-type arrow, so they would be showing more of the status quo std lighter/BH arrows abilities in the Avg Bowhunters hands.

I do know friends of mine who have used the old 190gr Grizzly sb BH on elk stayed with it because of its better performance.

I was aware of the “natal study” in the past but have only recently studied the Ashby Library in depth with my return to tradbow. Very interested and impressed with the amount of documented info within. which sent me on this path.

I hope to take a few animals with my “ashby” arrows this year and add to the info in said report.

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60337

Jason –

I did not think you had mentioned Doc Ashby. I mentioned him because of his extensive info and testing. For me that is very interesting and helpful and carries more weight.

I have no doubt that you are a successful and proficient bowhunter [Did not mean to infer otherwise] Much more so than I am. You seem to be the con in the efoc argument { every good argument needs an opposing view } so was looking for more details [pix] of your veiwpoint, IE

type, weight, bow bH,distance to tgt – did the BH hit ribs -internal damage etc.

I also agree [mostly] with your final statement of confidence – it is important, and the mental aspect very much so. I am looking into the Efoc argument for a scientifically more effecient killing instrument { while staying trad – oops another argument-haha} to ensure a clean kill. If you are happy with what you have – great.

Thanks for your response

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Noteable Quotes! #60264

Doc —

I more true quote than I like to admit — sure went fast

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60255

Jason —

The problem with individual opinions { mine included – especially in this forum – I am returning to tradbow after many yrs absent} is they are mostly limited in breadth and scope. Statistically they don’t mean much. Doc Ashby has A lot of info/testing to back up his claims. Other members have shown Kills/tests with their efoc that are very impressive.

To lend creedance to your argument – how about some recent or future pix of your arrow set ups effectiveness? What are your Parameters of “for me,there was no advantage over the accuracy and penetration I currently get”?

In my past I shot thru all but one deer [wt bt mdeer]that one, a frontal chest shot [ went down in 20yds]w/ bear Razorhead std arrow.

I went to efoc because it looks to give me a better killing arrow just in case.

You seem very knowledgable and have given me some good tips in the past on shooting/bow set up

Thanks

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: It's getting CLOSE! #60218

Yes – Dave, what you said!

Beautifully described, I mostly go for the same reasons. I have yet to take a turkey with my bow [ taken quite a few w/everything else] so it is quite the challenge and therein lies the fun. I have been thinking similar thoughts in just working up an efoc arrow for the lil shrew {49#} w’single bevel to keep it simple, consistent and one traj again. Mostly because they fly so well out of my other bows [accuracy]

Thanks – good luck with the shoulder!

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: It's getting CLOSE! #60135

still have over a month to go here in NM [Ap15]

starting to get all my gear tuned[ Archery tackle & calls ]probably take my little Shrew 49# 52″ bow.

I always enjoy Spring turkey – great time to be in the Mtns!

Not to HighJake Dave’s post {but it is about turkey hunting}?

I was wondering what Dave and other members used as a BH for turkey?

I have WWs 3 blade on currently, thinking more chance of cutting something vital on the Small tgt a turkey makes?

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Need help with carbon arrow selection #60125

New breed archer

I am just a beginner in building EFOC arrows. I decided to try it- with the thought, if I could get to/above 30% and 650grs –{if my arrow ended up a little forward} , I would have a better chance of getting thru the shoulder blade of wt/mddeer. I also hunt elk where it would be a requirement [IMHO]so why not have one arrow for most big game[simpler /cheaper/etc] one traj to become perfect with –

easy with Carbons { tuffheads — Total arrow weight 730 [30%}

still working on woods –perfect flight with 225 th and poc -640grs. try one of the other woods next–

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: A&A Fletching #57383

DWC —

FYI

Foc chart is the first heading under the Ashby Library here at the Tradbow site, for easy reference in the future.

also on Page two of – bows and trad equipment -[ under campfire forums] in Steve Sr thread “a long look at fletching and efoc -is a description and pix of A&A fletching by the Doc

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Latest Arrow Creations #55675

well done ! love the colors —

I especially like the first group

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[Raymond Coffman]

in reply to: Bowhunting Area 51 #55669

If Kingwouldbe is going after the Alien Pigs at S4[Papoose lake]he will need a “Bigger Bow” and the “Airhammer”! haha

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