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in reply to: My Apologies! #51080
Thanks, Steve- It takes a man to admit when he blows it- you’re a man. Best- Bert
in reply to: For those who love Footed Arrows #49128Working as a carpenter and an appreciator of fine woodwork- that is one gorgeous shaft! I’ve never seen a swirled foot or self-nock- how in the hell does he do that so precisely?What kind of BH did you stick on, in Indian lingo- missile that flies sitting still? And will you ever shoot it?
Bertin reply to: NRA pros and cons #49114A sharp rapier, Patrick! And a sharper wit without condemnation- Kudos! I just hate it when you quote my own words back at me- it’s just not fair! Don’t confuse me with the facts- go by my FEELINGS( which is why you’ll never win a rational arguement with your wife or mine either!).
Bertin reply to: NRA pros and cons #49107johnny2 wrote: Sorry dude, read a little closer, the operative word is fear. I don’t believe any good thing can happen when you are motivated by fear.
I’m not sorry,Pilgrim(invoking the Duke)- bear with me Patrick as a little semantics( the study of meaning in language) is in order and I’m not talking down to you, this is for my own edification also as I am but a 12th grade graduate- though of a different century when education was a bit more rigorous than the recent self-esteem movement.
Grabbing my always handy American Heritage dictionary, I look up the word ‘fear’ 1a. A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger b. A state marked by this feeling. 2. A feeling of disquiet or apprehension. 3. Reverence or awe, as towards a diety 4. A reason for dread or apprehension. Won’t get into the verbal aspects of ‘fear’- do I hear a groan of relief?
So it seems, rational fear is a good thing if it is controlled i.e. it’ll save your life and those around you while irrational fear, that is, panic is obviously to be avoided at all costs. The ole’ ‘When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout’. Thought you might find this interesting. Oh, by the way, the other book of wisdom that one should have close at hand, is of course, the Bible- let’s see ‘fear’- Proverb 1:7 states “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.”
God bless-Bertin reply to: Some People Should NOT Be Bowhunters! #49042SteveMcD- Don’t say goodbye yet, at least until the Good Lord wills it- we need your experience, insights and plain, heartfelt common-sense in this miserable age of pc.
As for me, I can’t stand to watch the Hunting(sic) pornography channels- johnny2’s right, hunting is not a spectator sport- do you think that’s one reason why we are attracted to traditional bows and ethical hunting?
Ted Nugent- Don’t listen to his music, rocknroll is too cacophonus for one in his 6th decade(been there,etc.). Haven’t read his books or watched any telebubba shows but have heard him on radio interviews several times- might want to cut down on the caffiene but his view on 2nd Amendment issues concurs with mine so I’ll gladly welcome anyone of any persuasion as we need all the voices and help we can. But what you witnessed disturbed me greatly, to say the least, is not only the TWO hipshots and GUT shot on two magnificant deer that I assiduously hunt here in the PNW but his PMB(poor miserable bastard) attitude when his crappy shooting is caught in flagrante delicto on public TV is beyond redemption. Hey Ted, put down the guitar and go practice with your portable-nautilus-machine until you can at least hit the deer in a humane, lethal spot. And be embarrassed and contrite when you screw up. Was it possible to see the nose rings and rope leading the deer past his hunting location or did they edit it out? Did he say he was aiming for the femoral artery for a fast bleed out?
My tender-hearted sister feeds a herd of elk in her backyard,she’s anti-hunting and especially anti-bowhunting because of one incident she witnessed of an elk herd crossing the White river across the street from her house. One elk was screaming frantically in obvious pain because of an arrow- sticking out of his neck in an obvious non-lethal(at that time) wound. Whether the bowhunter missed or the elk moved at the shot, we’ll never know- but our actions,and inactions, have consequences beyond our horizons.
For example, I routinely pack a handgun in the boonies(legal CPP) but it is always concealed so as to not offend the Goretex crowd, of which I try to avoid, not always successfully- Hey, Mommy, that man has a GUN!!! However if one of them is attacked by a cougar, I’ll be the first one there to put them out of their misery-That’s a JOKE folks!
Sorry you had to witness that Steve but glad you reported it to us- some of us have to go into the belly of the beast, hard as it is,to speak the truth no manner how many slings and arrows of outrageous fortune we endure. Good job!
Good post, Tdowning- now could you tell us how you really feel!
From this side of Crossfire- Bert out.in reply to: Cross hand-eye dominance #48975To fellow cross-dominators out there(no it is not some sexual dysfunction!)- I’m right-hand, left-eye dominant. shoot a handgun with same and no problem, rifles right-eye (with a peep or scope). With a shotgun or my longbow it is a bit more difficult but I find if I slighty close or squint my left and concentrate solely with my right-eye, letting the ‘electromagnetic radiation’ pour forth like a laser onto the spot on the target and in relation to the tip of the arrow on said target, if I perform the other archery steps correctly, a hit is made.
Practice, practice, practice consistently and correctly- get TJ Conrad’s, Byron Ferguson, Brian J. Sorrells and Kidwell’s books on trad shooting- they’re a great help and resource.
Oh, and don’t forget to wear your special ‘anti-radiation glasses’ when hunting so as to not spook the game!
Also check out Anthony Camera’s ‘Shooting the Stickbow’.
Best- Bertin reply to: NRA pros and cons #48952Bert’s shortest post-
The operative word is ‘sound’.
Also, Isaiah 1:21,22,23 but Isaiah 41:10, brother!in reply to: Woodie Weights #48926Dave-Thanks for your experimentations- always nice when the other guy has to pay! As to woodyweights, haven’t tried them yet as I’m still working on aluminum and carbon EFOC-didn’t Dr. Ed have some post about the extended leverage leading to wood shaft failure right behind the head (where all my woodies fail without fail!).
IDEA! Would drilling the shaft- since you have the jig- and inserting a rigid metal rod- tungsten, steel, brass or copper- beyond the woodyweight and shaft juncture help prevent that most dreaded of conditions, next to ED, of ‘premature shaft failure’ or henceforth known as ‘PSF”?
Bertin reply to: NRA pros and cons #48860Thanks Patrick for your most excellent BS detector- mine has been beeping for a while now and the redlight and siren are just about ready to explode, culminating somewhere around Nov. 2010 I think. Too bad Michael Crichton has passed, his cogent, rational voice is missed- his comments on Rachel Carson and DDT are priceless- They just named a local elementary school here after her! AARGH!!
Here in WA, our elected weasels(nothing against an honest killer implied) have decided to throw out-‘set aside’- an intiative that we the people voted for to require a 2/3rds majority for the raising of our taxes to a simple majority and you know exactly what they’re going to do as we’re 2.9 BILLION iou notes in debt. Never ceases to amaze(disgust) me that the Progressives always,always,always want more ‘sacrifice’,i.e. taxes from us but God forbid we should ever want to curtail and cut, as they call it, ‘essential government services’. Any comments I would make at this time would not be fit to be printed on this forum but I think you get my drift.
So, johnny2,not only am I a Lifemember of the hated NRA but I just joined the Tea Party movement at TeaParty.org- been a sympathizer since last April 15 and decided to make it official so I could get on the White House’s dreaded ‘enemies list’! Check out the founder, Dale Robertson and view Ray Steven’s hilarious video, ‘We the People’. but most all, join- it’s free. I’ll have to make up a sign with TaxedEnoughAlready- Concrete Block Division as I think I have a better solution than throwing tea into Boston harbor as our patriots did in 1793! Not that I would ever imply violence to our elected incompentents, just the threat should, and does, have them leave yellow stains running down their legs like the curs they are. These rights and promises are embodied in our founding documents- if, we the people, are forthright and brave enough to grow a pair, get off our blessed assets and intelligently and perseveringly battle for this God-given democratic republic-c’mon, it’s for the children!
Is the NRA the best way, the only way to defend our 2nd amendment rights-NO!
You are, I am, Patrick is and all the others who posted because they are vitally interested in this essential ‘topic’- whether they own guns or not- that should always be an individual’s choice and not the state’s dictates.
All the ills you listed in your last post- “My point is my freedom to own whatever gun I want takes a back seat to all of these”- are real evils(I disagree on anthropogenic(manmade) global warming) that ,#1- will never be ‘solved’ in our lifetimes and #2- have nothing to do whether you own a weapon or not, belong to the NRA or not, eat organic arugula or prefer tater tots and velveeta cheese. In fact, I think an armed and responsible citizen with a moral and ethical compass and the will to act for the benefit, not only of himself and family, state and country but the community of all humans trapped in dismal, tyrannical hellholes, would be far more effective at alleviating these societal dysfunctions than some hand-wringing utopian bitching about the ‘evils’ of plastic bags and 2nd- hand cigarette smoke while they fly to the Copenhagen Climate Conference aboard an avgas guzzling private jet surrounded by 24/7 armed security guards.
A wise man-John Wesley of Methodist fame, I believe, stated the following- In essentials, unity; in non-essentials-liberty; in all things, charity.
Stay warm down there in the Ozarks(pretty country!) and don’t let the copperheads bite you on the butt, johnny2!
Best-Bertin reply to: Defining a Traditional Bowhunter #44651Oh, this will be an interesting confluence of conforming and differing opinions!
Grabbing my ever present American Heritage(?!) dictionary, let us define ‘Traditional’adj. from [< Latin tradere, hand over; TRANS- +dare, give]- Tradition n 1. The passing down of a culture from generation to generation, esp. orally. 2a. A custom handed down. b. A set of such customs viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present. Syns are heritage, inheritance, legacy.
I think we would agree, most erudite gentlemen(and ladies if present) that definition 2a&b seems most appropiate to our discussion of what is a Traditional Bowhunter but #1 is of no less importance. Since none of us invented the bow, the string and arrow but they have been passed down from a distant past by a human or humans not unlike ourselves in basic aspects, if they were flashforwarded to our 21st century would they understand and know how to use those three basic components. Well, hell yes!, and then they could teach us how to hunt!
We, as trads of this time, choose of our own volition to follow the old paths, the harder but, to us, more fulfilling method in kind if not with more modern materials configured like the same instruments of the past. We choose to limit ourselves in our equipment and methods of shooting and hunting- the burning question is, why? Are we some kind of Neanderthal troglodytes mired in a romantic, nostalgic quest for a past that never was when we could, at the cost of many iou notes, possess the treasures of American ingenuity, marketing and our love of shiny, new gadgets? Behold! the new 323fps compound with all the bells and whistles-the Whizzer and it shoots the new nano Whizzies- be able to wound at unprecedented distances in comfort and ease!
The answer, of course, is a resounding-Yes! Along with respect for our ancestors and the game we pursue, the physical and mental challenges that we constantly try to overcome-or, in my case, accomodate!
Simplicity in a stick, a string and an arrow, eyes and muscles sharpened by practice, to walk in a pristine wilderness where others have passed with the same items in hand, with the same intent-connection with them, ourselves and companions and that which is higher than us. The bow of a new moon; the gorgeous arc of a rainbow, the swirling feathers of a well-loosed shaft do and will always continue to amaze me.
Or,I think Idabow said it much more concisely, Mr. Stout more poetically and our one and only Dave Petersen is right- We just have more fun!
Bert- P.S. If I have a 1980’s Bear Whitetail II, is that considered a ‘traditional’ compound? Ha!!! (for those who don’t know me, I prefer to shoot my 50# longbow)in reply to: NRA pros and cons #44535.
Johnny2- I don’t know why I haven’t jumped on this post yet. You certainly like to stir the pot or, rather, throw the match on the tinder! I have a few comments on ‘Our rights are quietly being stripped away” also.
This tired old subject( I thought you were refering to me!) prefers to remain a citizen, not a subject, as I’m sure, so do you with all the liberties, freedoms and responsibilities this entails.
You wrote” I can do whatever I want since we live in a free country”- the reason we live in such a country resides in a parchment in Washington D.C. and a statue in Massachusetts. One is the U.S. Constitution( and Declaration and Bill of Rights) and the other depicts a Minuteman holding, not a stalk of arugula, but the assault rifle of his age, a rifled blackpowder flintlock with which he was well schooled as the Brits found out to their dismay. But, without our knowledge and constant, vigilant care, they’re only paper and bronze and history shows how easily they disappear into another yawning chasm of a despairing Dark Age.
So I am a Life member of the NRA and it is a “black or white issue” with me- not that I agree with every stance they take, I’ll hold them to account and let them know when they go off on a tangent- but as the old saw goes” the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and believe me we have enemies both foreign and, unfortunately, domestic. Toynbee wrote that “civilizations do not die by homicide but by suicide”- check out Greece, Rome, Britain and what’s your opinion on our recent exalted leader’s vision for this rare experiment in all of human history?
This country doesn’t need (or can afford) Transformation( whatever that nebulous term means to His Nebulousness)- we need and desire Restoration- of our foundations, our moral compass and vision for ourselves, future generations and a realistic approach to this world and its problems.
And I agree with you, we need to care and restore our God-given resources- what an incredibly rich nation we inhabit!- and also use in a responsible manner so we don’t become another crappy third-world hellhole ala Haiti (et al).
Like you, I hike, hunt, fish and backpack and try to leave nothing but footprints, take home memories and an ethical harvest but I also like hot water, electricity and the host of other creature comforts and necessities this society and age offer- that’s why it’s good to forgo them at times- whether voluntary or, as the case may be, involuntarily!
Frankly, John, there have been evil tyrants who have caused untold misery in this world, they exist now and will exist into the foreseeable future in many different guises but at their core they all lust for power, power over all us ‘little people’. I would rather confront them with the truth in the debate of conflicting ideas and at the ballot box(hopefully full of real votes by real citizens) but, as I enter my 6th decade still somewhat sound of body and mind, the decision has come to never retreat-not one step!-and to never compromise on core beliefs aand values-not one!- so if it comes down to what we all hope and pray never occurs, I prefer to shove back with a 20round mag of 7.62×51 from my military-style semi-automatic civilian-legal rifle(except in CA and NJ) instead of a rock and/or club. Be careful in the weapon you choose and train well for the future of liberty for you and those after you rests in your hands now, we are the hope we’ve been waiting for(howinthehell did that get in here?)and the statue still stands, snow-covered in what was once a small village, looks you keenly in the eye and says,”I STOOD READY THEN; YOU STAND READY NOW!”
God bless and keep your broadheads sharp and your mind sharper! Bertin reply to: A good product hits the market #37011Thanks Doc for your continued explorations of EFOC and ultra/EFOC and the equipment and processes involved- looks like good kit for my carbons and aluminums. We’ll just have to locate some depleted uranium wire for David’s woodies!
Bertin reply to: Shoulder Shots 2 #37002MontanaFord- Check out the ‘Ashby Library’ on this site- especially ‘Arrow Lethality IV- The Physics of Arrow Penetration’ whereupon the good Dr. explains MA, i.e. mechanical advantage.
BertWelcome Ed Zachary, come on in and grab a seat by the campfire- KingWouldBe’s got the cigars, I have the Jim Beam ‘aiming fluid’, Dave Petersen’s got the elk tenderloins and everybody else can bring whatever contributes to our common interest and cause. Some querys- Where from- what do you hunt- kind of bow- how associated with Dr. Ed Ashby( our favorite missile expert). I have a feeling we’ll all be shooting ‘Scuds’ in the future. Good hunting- Bert
in reply to: Sighting Question #34438I concur with SteveMcD’s picks- great minds think alike!
Another I’ve found a veritable font of info is Anthony Camera’s ‘Shooting the Stickbow- A Practical Approach to Classical Archery’.
Get a large Hefty construction or yardwaste bag and stuff it to the gills with visqueen. Place or hang it about shoulder height, stand an arms length away, close your eyes, shoot one arrow with a fieldpoint, concentrating solely on your form or various aspects you wish to improve- for me that’s everything! And when you’ve perfected your release you will have accomplished what no archer has ever done.- Good shooting-Bert -
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