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in reply to: Trad VS. Compound #29503

Just wanted to say, … first off, many years ago while I was still using “Training Wheels” I shot an Elk, Joe St.Charles was hunting with us that year, in a spike only area.

When he posed for the picture, I asked him what a “Hard Core” Traditional Archer felt about posing in a picture with a C-pound-er, and his reply… ” an Arrow is an Arrow”

Now in my own experience at 3D shoots, Trad Archers move through the course faster, they step to the post, look at the target, draw, release.

The only thing that would slow them down is a complete miss, and time spent searching for the arrow…

A c-Pound-er, steps to the post, stares through his range finder, puts it down, draws his bow, looks through his sights (until he has a sight”picture”) then releases, a lot longer period of time.

I know when I used a C-pound-er, I could hit a gnat in a snowstorm all the way out to 80 yards, but with my “Trad equipment” it all depends on a variety of personal responses/reactions, I have off days where I could not hit the broad side of a barn while I was standing inside it, but other days, I could shoot a mouse in the dark with my eyes closed, while shaking like a hound dog shat-ting peach pits, lying on my back.

If you try to compare Compounds to recurves/longbows, you miss out on the ability to , draw, release w/o thinking, shooting from a sitting, or standing, running, or stationary, under branches, etc…

I have no doubt that I could harvest an Elk every year with a C-pound-er, just because I know their effectiveness, and range, But put a 600-850 lb animal within 25 yards of you, screaming louder than any of those so called “Pros”, literally leveling the landscape, destroying everything within sight, I don’t care what you have in your hands, you do not have time to get your finger out of your nose..(or your thumb out of your…)

The ability to adapt, and change, what position you are in,including branches, make an instinctive weapon more reactionary, and the ability to “feel The Shot” better suited to close encounters than having to deal with range finders (who needs one at under 30 yards ? (even a c-p only drops what, couple inches at 30 ?) I know I could stick an arrow in an Elk at 40+ yards, but I want to hit it right in the joint, and the only way I know how to do that is within 30, and full draw.

If you are comfortable at 25, perfect, I get them within that range, I think about how many times i could have shot an Elk at 40, if I still used a compound, but you never know…

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in reply to: Trad VS. Compound #29481

I have 6 3D’s in my backyard, and 7- 4″ thick foam targets, 13 total, from squirrels, birds, to bear, boar..shoot 4-5 days a week, will not go to “mixed shoots anymore because I think the compounders take too long, and don’t appreciate the fact that I don’t shoot over 40 at foam, 50 at paper on bales, and sometimes like to shoot from off course, like next to, or under branches/cover.

But never think about releasing an arrow at a live game animal over 35…Well might think av=bout it, but don’t release until I am sure..

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in reply to: Elk Arrow Spine Suggestions #26635

CareyE wrote: I believe I will need a stiffer arrow. I was just wondering about how much, say to the 400 or the 340’s.

Not really sure w/o experimentation, but adding 225 gr.,,,

I would go at least 10# up in spine, but I shoot cedar, dont really know what those numbers mean…

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in reply to: Are we forgetting our roots? #26630

Dennis wrote: Guys

I just moved from Northeastern Ontario Canada to Sandy Utah. On the way I stopped at the Glenn St. Charles Museum and Pope and Young Club headquarters. I considered it a pilgrimage. I spent 5 hours there with tears in my eyes most of the time. If you ever get the chance please visit. It will rekindle your spirit for traditional bowhunting.

When it was in the back room at NWA, I would spend hours looking at all the stuff., I even took my NBEF course in the museum, miss the old store and the friendly atmosphere…

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in reply to: Nels Grumley Take-Down Deerslayer #25251

Steve Graf wrote: It would be nice if something like that ended up in a museum where many people could appreciate it, instead of squirreled away in some guys man-room.

If you donated it to a museum, you can set the value of the donation for tax purposes… You might end up further ahead as well as assuring the preservation of the bow…

My idea when I purchased it was to put my 4 arrow leather quiver, that screws into the hole on grip you see, with a Glen St.Charles, Fred Bear, Bill Sweetland, and M.R. James autographed arrows, in a display case, but paying my mortgage, and keeping a roof over the heads of my family is more important.

I been unemployed for over two years now, so “tax purposes” are the least of my concerns….

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in reply to: Elk Arrow Spine Suggestions #24637

A heavier Broadhead will cause a spine reduction, as the increased weight on the front will cause the arrow to flex more upon release, finding a balance between weight forward (FOC) is critical for proper arrow flight.

I also beleive (my own opinion) that is is better to be overspined, than under, as my arrows seem to have less “wobble” in flight.

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in reply to: Nels Grumley Take-Down Deerslayer #24614

It is with heavy heart, I have told my friend “Bowdoc” to sell it on the auction site, hope whoever buys it appreciates it…

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in reply to: Nels Grumley Take-Down Deerslayer #24612

a couple more

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in reply to: Nels Grumley Take-Down Deerslayer #24607

these are some pictures

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in reply to: Gearing Up For Heavy Bows #22695

I hunt with a 70# @ 28″, pulling 29.5″ (approx 76#) but only because I find it shoots faster/flatter than a lower pound bow.

I am 6’4″ and 285# (fairly large person) but want to share something I overheard at NW Archery one day (Happy Birthday Glenn).

Jay St.Charles (Pacific Yew) was talking to someone about going to see the doctor about back and shoulder pain. I don’t know if you have ever seen/met Jay, but the guy has shoulders that look like he is wearing football pads, big thick and muscular. He has been shooting/making bows from childhood, and consistently shooting bows of all weights (I heard rumours of 100#+) And even though he was in shape, and could comfortably draw and shoot heavyweight bows consistently, it was causing him discomfort.

The doctor told him that the constant repetition was causing his body to rebel, and recommended that he tone it down.

Old age catches up to us all, and even though we CAN do something, does not mean we SHOULD.

A 55# bow is capable of harvesting any North American Big Game Animal, provided that the Broadhead is sharp, and shot placement is correct.

If you want to go with a heavier bow, for whatever reason, I suggest only going up a little, seeing how that works for you.

If you still want to go up in weight, then by all means, go for it.

BUT, bear in mind that at “the moment of truth” , when your heart is pounding, your knees are shaking, adrenalin is taking over, and your body might become as week as a baby, over pounding yourself can be devastating, and if are able to make it all work, hope and pray that you don’t strain any tendons, ligaments, tear you rotator cuff, or anything else, a 40# bow might be too much.

We only visit this world for a short time, I would hate to lose my ability to draw a bow, and watch the arrow in flight, just because I though I wanted to shoot a heavier bow, …now if I were to plan a trip to Africa….. (or be able to afford one)

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in reply to: Different styles of takedowns "lets see them" #22423

Accidently left this out..

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in reply to: Different styles of takedowns "lets see them" #22422

My favorite, and one I will (unfortunately) be selling is a mid ’40’s “Bear Archery by Grumley” I,ll see if I can post the pictures…

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in reply to: Are we forgetting our roots? #22396

If Glenn were still alive, he would be 100 today !

We lost him in September 2 years ago, they just dont make them like him anymore…

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in reply to: Are we forgetting our roots? #15628

wabow35 wrote: Maybe due to the economy it’s harder for most people to collect items. I know that i saw some bear broadheads on craigslist a coupe weeks ago(possibly yours since i live in Tacoma) but i didn’t have the money at the time to get them.

If it was the set of 12, 6 broadhead, 6 feild, mini catalogue, etc…

Yes that was mine, going in the mail today to a guy going to give them to his father for Christmas, been looking for a memory…

Had to sell them on the “auction site” due to lack of interest.

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in reply to: Are we forgetting our roots? #13440

remember once upon a time, when the mere mention of “Terrible Ted” was enough to get the fire going in that old stone fireplace at NW Archery.
From my understanding it all began with Ted filming himself shooting a White Rhino with an arrow, then following it several DAYS in a helicopter, and finishing it off with a rifle. He then published this film.
Glenn commented on the wisdom of sharing this film with the general public, and the impact on the image of Bowhunters.
He did not care for the “Thwack ’em, Stack ’em, and Pack ’em” portrayal of archers that Ted advocated, and advocated his own “Walk in the Woods” style of Traditional Archery, the connection with the equipment, and portrayal of the image of bowhunters as being “ethical” outdoorsmen, and able to make quick, clean, efficient kills.
This resulted in Ted taking personal insult, and responded with an attack on Glenn, and his “Elitist” attitude, and supposedly imposing his own personal morality, and ethics on others.
Although no longer a public issue, but it became a personal war over their friendship with Fred Bear, and who was more influential in the “progress” of Archery as a sport.
I am not sure if it was connected, but it was also around this time that most of the compounds came off the racks at NW Archery, and the focus of the store became more towards Traditional Archery, and they started putting out more staves and unfinished bows out, while Jay taught classes on Bow-building.
It is a shame that 2 such influential members of the Archery community could not put aside their differences, but is a perfect example of the difference between those that bowhunt due to a love of Archery, and those that use a bow just to hunt.

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