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    • MViehweg
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      I prefer to shoot wood arrows out of my longbow with doug fir being the current choice and Eclipse heads up front. I would like to at least try single bevels and EFOC set-up given Dr. Ashby’s reports. I have put Woody Wts. on several arrows putting total arrow wt. around 720 out of a 71 lb. bow, but have yet to shoot anything other than foam. Maybe there are others on this forum wrestling with the same dilemna of finding a prefered wood set-up incoporating Dr. Ashby’s findings.

    • Ed Ashby
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      Without adding some additional point weight it’s hard to get to much EFOC with wood shaft setups. My Forgewoods (because of the differential compression between the shaft’s front and rear), with a 190 grain point gets to 19% FOC. Just as with carbons, it helps with FOC to use the lighest weight shaft you can and as much point weight as you can.

      A heavier glue-on BH would help, and I understand that both STOS and ABS have some in the works. There are several folks adding weight by drilling the shaft at the front and inserting a metal rod; steel, tungsten or lead. I’m told that someone even makes a tool for aligning the hole precisely in the shaft’s center.

      It’s my belief that wood shafts have one, rarely mentioned, hunting advantage; on a shot that misses the sound of a wood shaft impacting seems to alarm animal less than a miss with a synthetic shaft.

      Ed

    • MViehweg
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      Ed, are the Forgewoods recent vintage or the old ones from Bill Sweetland?

    • Treetopflier
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      Great to have you back, Doc! You really liven things up for us and keep us from shutting down our minds, thanks. While it’s been discussed in previous threads, right now the “easiest” way to get more weight up front on woodies is with WoodyWeights. I recall some having reported that test shots at an angle into hard surfaces, like a tree, lead to a higher than normal shaft breakage just behind the head (or in this case the WW). Apparently that is a consequence of the extra length the WW’s add ahead of the shaft, thus increasing lever-arm? In any event, if anyone out there is using WW’s with broadheads for hunting, we’d sure appreciate hearing the details of your results. For many of us died-in-the-woody shooters, it’s heartbreaking to see all the advantages available via carbon shafts but so far unattainable with woods. It would seem that a 250-grain glue-on head would have significant advantages over, say, a 125 head and 125 WW, due to being so much shorter. Sure wish STOS, Grizzly and the others would get some on the market in single-bevel! Snuffy

    • Ed Ashby
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      Snuffy, I hear that the first mock-up heavy, single-bevel STOS BH’s have been produced. These were a test run of the new stamping dies, and were just spot welded together. Nonetheless. that’s a step closer to having them on the market.

      The early results from the Ultra-EFOC arrows (carbon shafted) also indicates that a heavier tip weight will be a big, big help there too. It’s just about as hard to get Ultra-EFOC with carbon arrows as it is to get EFOC on woods. I’m chomping at the bit for a 250 garin (or heavier) glue-on BH!

      Ed

    • Bloodless
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      US too! Bring ’em on! The aluminum exturnal reforcements for wood shafts that some are using probly are real good … but if your a hopeless woody shooter somehow it just don’t seem right. Can’t help ourselvs! A really heavy broadhead and cedar shafts with reinfored front ends — not so much for weight as to keep from breaking behind the head — could be the answer. While is clearly works for them what are set up to do it, internal inserts and all that “shop stuff” ain’t never goning to appeal to the mass market of hunters. And that seems like the best end goal — to change the whole “tradition” of what a traditional arrow should be … something us average folks can order off the net or get at our local trad shop without having to hock the wife and kids (tho that might not be a bad deal in some cases :twisted:) I’m sorry for my English but reckon you get what I mean. bullyboy

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