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    • Steven Hege
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      I tried out a PSAX 60 with 60 inch limbs this week. Probably shouldn’t of done that. Now I’m going to have to drop some serious coin. I’m not sure how I’m going to take the wait time after I return the demo.

    • Doc Nock
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      I test drove a widow once, but there were too many kids attached! 😯

      😆 You guys and your bow addictions!

      I must be the weirdest guy in the country! I have one go-to bow and it took me YEARS to find that one…

      Oh, sure, I have a few other bows around… couple old bears (one set up for bow fishing but no place to bowfish), one Lost Creek I won in some blind drawing that is my only shortie… and then finally, hooked up with Kirk Lavender of Bigfoot bows and he built me a bow custom fit to my wrist rotation and shooting style…now I don’t shoot ANYTHING else!

      So Yeah, I’m weird! Probably for more reasons then that one, but I only shake my head and marvel at you guys with long lists of bows!

      Have fun! Enjoy the ride!:D

    • Steven Hege
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      Great opening line. I didn’t buy a trad bow for 35 years then I decided to get back into shooting recurves and lbs again a out a year ago. Now I’m looking a bow #3 in one year. This will probably be the last one for a while. Its my 50th b day present to me.

    • Stephen Smiley
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      I test drove a Black Widow PSR take down this winter and as soon as I shot it I had to order one. My buddy is always asking to take a few shots with it when we go stump shooting. The wait was only about 8 weeks. Not bad at all.

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Doc Nock wrote: I test drove a widow once, but there were too many kids attached! 😯

      Classic, Doc.

      I fully embrace my bow addiction and make no apologies. There are a million worse things to spend your money on than supporting small-scale craftsman and the functional beauty they produce.

    • jpcjpc
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      @ same weight same lenght same arrows a 42 Black Douglas from Border with HEX6 limbs shoot faster than a BW @ 50

    • Doc Nock
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      I surely do hope you “addicts” do NOT read any criticism in my view of your addiction! No, no, no!

      I never dated more’n one gal at a time, and can’t dance with two or more bows and be any good.

      Kirk’s bow was the first in a series that truly, TRULY FIT my hand and shooting style. He took videos of me shooting 3 bows… from all angles and studied them frame-by-frame…and figured out what I needed to “correct” a problem I was having w/ standard grips!

      TomAtoe, or toe-mah-toe…

      Just never shared that penchant! I got way too many vices, like reloading, casting bullets, fly fishing, model trains, and bow shooting and hunting… so I am as bad as any of you, just not multiple bow ownership isn’t one of them…and now I FINALLY have a bow that fits me… it’ll likely be my last…

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    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Gator1 wrote: I’m not sure how I’m going to take the wait time after I return the demo.

      I hear ya. I’m tempted to say that with a six month wait time, you forget about it after a while, and then suddenly you get a notice that it’s shipping, and suddenly it’s like Christmas all over again, but who am I kidding? When I have a bow on order, I don’t ever forget about it, even if I’m waiting 6 mos.

      Luckily, I have a couple backups… 8)

      And Doc – I’ve only heard good things about Kirk’s bows. I’d love to shoot one some day. I really like the stipling on that grip too!

    • Doc Nock
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      SH,

      Kirk is a person with an engineering mind set who is constantly blowing up his profits to find out what works best and what FAILS —when and how! That is to the customer’s benefits!

      He is DRIVEN to have perfect vertical and lateral stability in all his limbs…and they’re fitted to a riser individually, no mass production and buy/swap out anyone’s limbs to your Kirk riser. A drawback perhaps to some, but not to me.

      The fact he studied my shooting to fix my grip issue indebted me to him but the performance of the bow itself, rocked me on my heels! A fan? Yeah, I guess so. I’d had a few “other” bows in the 48-50+ # draw weight range…

      I ordered this one a tad lighter at 47#…double carbon. Not happy with my aging process so dropping weight is required, so I thought I’d bolster it with some carbon. I was shooting 5575 GT’s with 200 gr. up front…basically a .400 spine arrow cut 29.5″

      I had to jump to 7595 (.340) to harness the power in the limbs and still shoot the FOC I wanted. My arrows are a touch longer (30″) but still able to shoot the total 300 gr. up front with 200 gr head and 100 gr. insert. Dropped the tail weight by eliminating wraps and using a sprayed crown…

      Don’t have a Chrony, but he tested at both 9 and 10 GPI…I won’t reveal what he got…it raises too many hackles for folks…but lets say that what I put INTO the draw, goes all INTO the arrow flight!

      I’m happy! 8)

    • Steven Hege
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      Ordered it yesterday. Going with pau ferro for the wood. Now for the wait.

    • Doc Nock
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      Congrats, Gator! Raid the local recycle bins for cans now thru the wait time and you can help pay for that new bow!

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Sweet! Hopefully you’ll have it in time for the Fall! Looking forward to pics.

    • Bunyan Morris
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      I love my Black Widow. She will last though out my life time and into someone else’s. You’ll not regret it!

    • Steven Hege
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      It can’t get here soon enough. I figure I have ateast 6 more weeks.

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Gator1 wrote: It can’t get here soon enough. I figure I have ateast 6 more weeks.

      Less than 2 month wait?!? That’s far less than most custom bowyers I know!

    • jpcjpc
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      Not all foam cores or composite cores are equal. Some are made with polyurethane resins and the stronger materials made with the more expensive Epoxy resins. The density and strength of the material is based on the percentage of filler to resin and the characteristics of the material is based on what filler bulks out the resin system, stronger weaker lighter heavier more dimensionally stable less dimensionally stable. The elasticity of the core is meaningless. Lets assume that the composite core is half as elastic strong as bamboo. Okay then here is an example just and example and not and actual situation just and approximation, then assuming the bamboo core alone without the composite bow facings generates a bow drawweight of 1Llbs and the composite core .75lbs and the bow weight is 55lbs So the bamboo core is responsible for 1.8% of the drawweight and the Composite core is responsible for 1.3% so the difference in bow weight generated is 0.5%. 0.5% is nothing and would hardly affect the speed at all. However a 20% weight reduction in core mass is about a 7% mass reduction in the whole limb and that is significant and represents about 2 fps. But some composite cores will be roughly the same weight as the wood core and so no different.

    • Steven Hege
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      If all goes well the PSA will ship on Wed. 😀

    • RalphRalph
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      Doc Nock wrote: Congrats, Gator! Raid the local recycle bins for cans now thru the wait time and you can help pay for that new bow!

      Hey Gator, I know some fellers that if you’d follow them around and collect aluminum you could collect a bow fee quite rapidly methinks.:lol:

    • Steven Hege
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      R2 wrote: [quote=Doc Nock]Congrats, Gator! Raid the local recycle bins for cans now thru the wait time and you can help pay for that new bow!

      Hey Gator, I know some fellers that if you’d follow them around and collect aluminum you could collect a bow fee quite rapidly methinks.:lol:

      [/quote. R2. Is that an Axis deer in your profile pic? My bow finally got her just in time for my vacation. Had to leave it for a week.

    • RalphRalph
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      Gator, yep an Axis. The hunt was a gift from my fellow workers when I retired. The only guided hunt I’ve ever been on. I felt like a fish out of water being led around, guided :).

      This outfitter had access to several small properties near Bourne, Tx., all free range. Small may be a bit bigger than small is in some places though. 😀

      My most vivid memory of the hunt is of a herd of 8-10 axis running full speed and clearing a barbed wire fence in full stride. It was a beautiful picture that I was only able to capture in my mind but it’ll be there forever.

      Axis are mighty fine table fare.

      Sneaking on one animal tough enough, sneaking on a herd? Actually being lucky is sometimes a big part of a hunt. 😆

      Being in the right place at the right time while holding Lady Luck’s hand sometimes ain’t a bad deal.

    • handirifle
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      Doc Nock wrote: I test drove a widow once, but there were too many kids attached! 😯

      😆 You guys and your bow addictions!

      I must be the weirdest guy in the country! I have one go-to bow and it took me YEARS to find that one…

      Oh, sure, I have a few other bows around… couple old bears (one set up for bow fishing but no place to bowfish), one Lost Creek I won in some blind drawing that is my only shortie… and then finally, hooked up with Kirk Lavender of Bigfoot bows and he built me a bow custom fit to my wrist rotation and shooting style…now I don’t shoot ANYTHING else!

      So Yeah, I’m weird! Probably for more reasons then that one, but I only shake my head and marvel at you guys with long lists of bows!

      Have fun! Enjoy the ride!:D

      Pot, meet kettle! Here I thought you were going to say you only owned one bow.

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