tuning tuffheads with dixon alignment tool

[skinner biscuit]

#3627

Hello all, when tuning your tuffheads with the Dixon tool.if putting a footing on your arrow. Do you spin it with the footing (easton 2216 1″) or put the footing on later.? The footing rests on the first bearing. If spinning with footing should I put a loose footing on the second bearing.?

[OpenSky1]

#22129

Have you reviewed this youtube link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YR0pgc18EEI

Detail to your circumstance is lacking(pics make all very clear) but in general you want everything on the front, to be installed before testing. Both tester bearings ride on arrow shaft. Keep in mind all can be aligned, but still theoretically possible that if you had greater mass off center,(tied outsert for example) to the center line of arrow shaft, the arrow still would not spin true. Similar to a tire with a load of ice causing it to want to wobble.

Use caution not to flex arrow when spinning. some models offer a 3rd bearing which can be used under where your hand will spin. 3rd bearing is a bad idea unless your arrow is perfectly straight.

Looking at the groups you posted showing stacked arrows, I would think you have tuning mastered already.:D Great shooting.

[OpenSky1]

#22137

In my personal testing, even with a small 3 degree helical, while test shooting at 5 feet, my arrows showed up to 270 degrees rotation already.

See archers paradox. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=96KGWC0PB6s

Alignment is an important part of the equation to good arrow flight.

[James Harvey]

#22302

OpenSky1 wrote: See archers paradox. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=96KGWC0PB6s

That is a seriously good video! Thank you for making it and sharing it here 😀

[OpenSky1]

#22486

Glad video link was helpful, but I cannot take credit, I am not the maker.

[skinner biscuit]

#23404

I have built 4 arrows with the footing on.1 in the works. All 3 spun true and fly great.

[OpenSky1]

#23822

Skinner,

Glad to hear all worked out. I miffed on my first try at BH and adapter assembly with the tuff-head. I was really surprised at the slop,coming from a “buy off the shelf ready to shoot mentality” before. I know the theory…performing the theory is another issue.

Would you be willing to share your opinion of fine detail using the Dixon tool for assembly? I got mine to work on second effort, and want a better system to achieve perfect results in the future. Joe makes it clear on his web site that the BH tip is not perfectly centered, and therefore with my bearing spinner jig/tool, BH and adapter alignment was a big challenge. Spin test was easy by comparison, but adapter alignment is similar in enjoyment as going to the Dentist at present. Do you see a specific benefit to the Dixon tool vs. a standard bearing type spinner? I bought the tuff-head last year(Newbie to “Ashby clan – Totonka arrows”):lol: Personal assembly was certainly more challenging than buying “off the shelf” goods, but I am a better archer for having to take the time to understand all parts of the system, now knowing the system trumps any individual part.

Also, with you being the better than average shooter that your pics indicate you are, and knowing you have taken the time to tune….I would also love to hear your opinions about shooting the tuff-head tipped arrow in wind(not that I am looking to hunt in a wind storm:shock:. For some reason I now have acquired a lively bow arm that makes forming an opinion on flight characteristics less than scientific.:wink: All hits the mark OK, but I sware my arrow looks like it is going every which way in flight and do not know if this is because I went with bright fletching and more is visible, or if actually wobbling in the air. In other words because I am new to BH and adapter assembly, I am learning to trust my results. Before it was the factory with the responsibility. Paper tune and French tune says fine, and so does accuracy to 20 yards…after that I fall apart. How do you compare the Tuff head in flight to what you shot before? What I know for certain was the extra weight causing benefit at point of shot: bow dead in hand and soooo quiet?

Sounds like you have your answer to thread topic, so I hope you do not mind adding to your question asked?

[skinner biscuit]

#23903

Opensky, I found that if I spin it with slight pressure I get my best result.When I did my old magnus stinger 2 blades, this was not such a issue.I use bohning insert iron as it has a 24 hour cure and holds up well.(personal preference).(72 hr full cure).I too had the wobble effect at first.I figured out it was a release issue.I found that if I pull on the string of the first crease of my second finger.Then put the string in the first crease of third finger and the first finger between the tip and first crease.I pull to anchor release from the corner of mouth and follow through by touching my ear.This give’s me a clean release.The beauty of building your own arrows and not buying them off the shelf is you can build them to your own taste and it is much more satisfying.There will be trials and frustration;lord knows I have had my share but is all in the learning experience.Find out what works best for you,tweak things and find success!

[OpenSky1]

#23930

Skinner, thanks for the pic. I had a bad assumption from your first post, even though I looked at the Dixon, I just now noticed it has fixed bearing points. I have the Firenock APS and all bearings can be moved anywhere along the tool length(loosen thumb screw and slide), and also qty. of bearings added or removed as much as you want, hence my comment about a 3rd bearing under the spinning hand to prevent flex that causes false readings. Now I see your dilemma from your initial post. Even though your outsert is riding on front bearing per pic provided, because it is machined and therefore assumptive to parallel with the shaft, I still would have suggested spinning with all on using your Dixon. Never would I suggest using a 3rd bearing per your pic….light pressure to spin is the better option.

If it works, don’t fix it.

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