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    • ChumpMcgee
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      So what can I do to fix a sloppy release? I shoot a longbow 3 fingers under and have never had the problem before but for the past 2 days I have shot and watched my arrows fly all over the place and I am not longer getting groupings that I use to get. Just need some tips on how to clean up my release anything would be great….deer hunting season is closing in on my and I want to get this thing figured out.

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Without seeing your release, it’s really hard to give useful advice. But I know one thing that really helps me is hitting my anchor, and then holding and slowing down for a second or two, rather than releasing too quickly. And following through with my release hand to my rear shoulder. I’m, not sure why this helps, but it does. And again, this is just what works for me. Many paths, same destination.

    • David Petersen
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      I would start by checking brace height etc. to be sure your bow hasn’t gotten out of tune. I can’t help with 3-under as I haven’t shot that way since I was a teen. But when I have a bad release with standard split-finger almost every time I realize I let my bottom finger drag on the string during release. The cure for this, for me, is to take that extra moment Bruce speaks of to consciously relax top and bottom fingers just a tad, so that the “trigger” is primarily the middle finger. With 3-under it seems this same problem could be magnified since your bottom finger is even farther from the arrow. You might check to be sure you don’t have that bottom finger in too deep. Good luck.

    • skifrk
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      Along with checking brace height you may want to check and see if your string need to be waxed or if something else in the equipment might have changed. I only say this if you have not changed any thing in your technique. It might be your technique has reached the limit of marksmanship you are obtaining and you might need to clean that up. Though the best way yo do that is with video. Like the other posters before my release is the cleanest when i do a a little remember in my head to follow through and have my string arm go backwards and the bow arm to go forward, I think G. Fred Asbell calls it the push pull release in his shooting books.

    • ChumpMcgee
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      Thanks everyone, I will look at my brace height and see if that is out of whack. I have been wanting to wax my string too but did not thing that it would play a major roll in that. The last thing that I will say is I did noticed that when I would take my time and not rush things that the arrows would fly better but the group is not there. Practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice

    • Jason Wesbrock
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      Smithhammer wrote: Without seeing your release, it’s really hard to give useful advice. But I know one thing that really helps me is hitting my anchor, and then holding and slowing down for a second or two, rather than releasing too quickly. And following through with my release hand to my rear shoulder. I’m, not sure why this helps, but it does. And again, this is just what works for me. Many paths, same destination.

      Absolutely spot-on!

    • Wexbow
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      Just reaffirming all of the above – pause at anchor and ensure NO creep, feel it in the BACK, then relax the fingers – don’t “release” – relax. String hand should stay close to your face and end up traveling backwards because of proper back tension, nothing else. Now if only I could get it right every time I’d be over in London picking up a medal πŸ˜›

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      wexbow –

      exactly! I am still working on it also ——

      Scout

    • LocDoc
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      skifrk nailed it. Push/Pull.

    • RalphRalph
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      So I suspect I’ll be seein’ Neil and Scout in London soon :lol::lol: Fat chance of me being there.

      My release worsens the more I worry about it. Just relax (pun intended) and shoot and things will happen for the best methinks. Practice, practice, practice… can be over done though till your brain ingrains what your tired body is doing wrong rather than what your fresh body is doing right. Good luck!!!

    • Bender
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      A worn out glove with a serious deep groove worn into it can create mysterious release problems that creep up on you until one day it seems as if suddenly you can no longer shoot well and there is no reason or axplanation for it and nothing seems to fix it.

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      R2

      Yea – I have been to London a number of times, have seen all I wanted to there. I doubt if Wexbow would stoop to go amongst the heathens [Londoners] haha. I would enjoy going to Ireland and having a whiskey with R2 and Wexbow at his favorite Pub —–

      I was Having a release slump – Mr. Fred Asbell’s recent article in tradbow – reminded me deep hook/relaxed hand etc, and I immediately improved.

      Scout

    • RalphRalph
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      Yep on release problems. I have been into using a tab for a long time and realized a couple of weeks ago that has been not right for me actually. I learned with a glove (not going into glove/tab deal here, bear me out)and shot one forever then went to “cleaner release” tab. Well, seems I got to worrying about releasing so much that all else was going to pot. I lost my confidence. Back to my glove and I never think release. I’m happy now and back in the game. Little thoughts at the wrong time can make big problems.

      I’ve never been to London but I’ve been to Morocco, Spain, France and Switzerland. They all have + and – as does my home here in Amarillo but I like my own little + and -‘s just fine. πŸ˜†

      I’ve seen the deep heart of Morocco, 3 yrs. worth, and one thing I learned there about life is that it exists differently everywhere and what’s right and wrong ain’t the same everywhere. I may not agree with local customs and such sometimes but their life is theirs and mine is mine. It’s most of the time foolish to clash but it does happen and may someday it cease.

      Sorry bout philosophizing but I needed a bit of “release”. πŸ™‚

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      R2-

      On the release – my sentiments exactly-

      I have been to Morocco{Tangiers}*and stayed in the “Kasbah”

      in 1970 [Dave P, an interesting story for another time & place}and I agree overseas life has a very different aspect then here, especially nowadays compared to the US.

      Scout

      * Spain {I really enjoyed}France also [lots of fun]and Switzerland {very clean & squared away}

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      Check out a guy named Jeff Kavanagh on YouTube. He has some good vids on release tips (and some amazing aerial shooting footage, etc). I particularly like what he has to say about having a ‘second anchor point.’

    • bruc
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      The Jeff Kavanagh videos are very good. a little bit of new insight pertaining to the release.

      Thanks Smithhammer !

    • Ed Ashby
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      This is a tip intended NOT for those who CAN achieve a good release but for those who CANNOT achieve a good release.

      I have a congenital bone deformity in my right hand (also a matching bone defect in both feet) and have NEVER been able to achieve a smooth release (I drag the ring finger). However, over a half century ago I got some great advice from Ben Person that solved the release problem, at least it did for me.

      Ben’s advice: Shoot a bow of long length (less finger-pinch), with as heavy a draw weight as you can learn to use. It also needs to be a bow with very stable, thick, heavy, relatively slow-recovering limbs (like a traditional, straight-end longbow). Then quit worrying about the release, and concentrate only on developing a rock-solid follow-through; after release maintaining as solid a hold with the bow arm as possible. If the follow-through is solid the thick, heavy, slower limbs will pull the string (and arrow) back into correct alignment long before the arrow leaves the bow, resulting in an accurate shot.

      Ed

    • RalphRalph
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      Thanks Dr. Ed for dinging a bell in my noggin. I used to go to the Texas State Longbow Championship tourney at Ft. Worth and had the privilege of shooting one day with Keith Baines. He and his wife Edith were state champs several times. May still be, I don’t keep up with such anymore. Anyway he pointed out to me that if you keep your bow arm and bow pointing at what you want to hit, you can get away with a lot of stuff with your other hand. I’ve really been doing some stupid lately and I’ve been working, working on release. I noticed awhile ago while shooting outback that my bow was flopping all over the place. That ain’t doin what I’m supposed to be doin’! πŸ˜€ So I snugged my grip on the bow kept pushing toward the target and didn’t let it go jumping around and whoa, I’m hitting again. Maybe some people shoot with a loose grip but it don’t work for me. I think I subconsciously regress to my primitive days of compound shooting sometimes and let the bow roll in my hands. No workie!!! Thx for ding for ding a ling πŸ˜†

    • Wexbow
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      cyberscout wrote: R2

      Yea – I have been to London a number of times, have seen all I wanted to there. I doubt if Wexbow would stoop to go amongst the heathens [Londoners] haha. I would enjoy going to Ireland and having a whiskey with R2 and Wexbow at his favorite Pub —–

      I was Having a release slump – Mr. Fred Asbell’s recent article in tradbow – reminded me deep hook/relaxed hand etc, and I immediately improved.

      Scout

      The London quote was in reference to the Olympics that were on at the time of this post. But it is a great city to visit. And anyone here is more than welcome to look me up for a whiskey – especially if they’re buying πŸ˜†

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      Wexbow –

      Good guess – but not actually-

      I was in London a couple of times in the 70s-80s

      enjoyed it immensely – easiest European country for Americans to visit.

      Having not been to Ireland and I should have been, and eventually hope to go – my mother is a fullblood O’Rourke–I remember my time in Scotland, As soon as I got past being a “colonial” they loved me because I was not from the southern place–haha.

      [My spelling of my name is from the lowlands of Scotland]

      when I get to Ireland I will look you up and enjoy a stout/whiskey with you

      I’ll buy-

      Scout

    • Wexbow
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      Scout, I was talking about my reference to London way back when this post started – I was giving advice that if I could pull off myself would’ve meant a place on the Olympic archery team that was competing at the time. But anyway. There are quite a few O’Rourke’s around me, probably some long lost rellies!

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      Wexbow

      Sorry for the misunderstanding – I am getting old, and the beginning of the thread is way far Back for me to remember!-haha!

      No Doubt They are some of My rellies —Luv to visit sometime.

      If you can ever get out this way R2 and I will show you around TX and NM Chase Javelinas & feral Hog —

      Scout

    • Wexbow
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      Now that’s an offer that’s hard to refuse – now if only my bank manager would agree with me. For some reason she thinks repaying a mortgage is more important than chasing hogs around the lone star state with a stringed stick. I just don’t understand bank managers πŸ™„

    • RalphRalph
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      Heck,Neil, my house is paid for and I can’t afford to go to Ireland and drink whiskey either. We missing something here? πŸ˜†

      Guess I’ll go to Memphis, :)Texas that is, in the morning, spend three days helping my buddy set up two 30 target courses for their annual TBOT (Traditional Bowhunters of Texas) shoot. I’m the only one that don’t drink so it takes some real cunning to outwit juicy minds sometimes. A simple “you cain’t do that” rarely works. πŸ˜†

      By the way, can one go to Ireland and not drink whiskey:? Just looking for advantages to win :lol:. Don’t think sober would help me much though sometimes.

    • Wexbow
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      R2 wrote: By the way, can one go to Ireland and not drink whiskey:? Just looking for advantages to win :lol:. Don’t think sober would help me much though sometimes.

      Of course you can, we’ll be glad to give you brandy instead πŸ˜†

    • RalphRalph
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      No, no, not her again! Once was enough! πŸ˜† Why I can’t afford journey. Just kidding.

    • archer38
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      Theres an app for that !! Its called ubersense. It allows you to record video of yourself and play it back in slow motion to analyse your form. you can also do an overlay of your video with another video to show errors in for or technique.

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