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    • Brennan Herr
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      Has anyone heard if they plan on making screw on tuffheads…I saw you can do it yourself but was just curious in the matter.

      Thanks

    • David Petersen
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      Herr Brennan — Joe is real close to releasing a 300-grain glue-on Tuffhead, but hasn’t mentioned anything about a screw-in, at least not to me. For my part, I’m happy with the glue-ons, as I can slap them right on some wood shafts, and if I decide to convert to screw-ins I can choose the weight of the adapter to best fit my needs. I’ve never had any problem with glue-in adapters so long as I clean both parts with rubbing alch or acetone.

    • Vintage Archer
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      [quote=brennanherr]

      Has anyone heard if they plan on making screw on tuffheads…I saw you can do it yourself but was just curious in the matter.

      Thanks

      Sorry, I must have been asleep at the switch when this question was asked. The short answer is that there are no plans to make a screw on Tuffhead. There are multiple reasons for this.

      More and more hunters are experimenting with FOC arrows ranging from 12% weight forward of center arrows to 30% FOC and beyond. In order to obtain the weight required to increase one’s FOC there has to be a means to increase the front weight or reduce the rear arrow weight. You will often hear that it is hard to obtain a high FOC such as Ultra Extreme FOC (30%and above) with wood arrows this is true but TuffHead is trying to make FOC more attainable on wood arrows with the heavy broadheads we offer and plan to offer in the near future.

      I personally feel the glue on broadhead is more vestal than the screw on head. A screw on head does eliminate a glue joint between the broadhead and the arrow. The glue joint between the adapter and broadhead has not proved a problem if the joint has been cleaned and treated properly. Modern glues such as “JB Weld” minimize this concern .The glue on head allow the archer to use the head on either wood arrows or arrows with a screw in insert such as carbon aluminum. Additionally the glue on broadhead allows the versatility of adjusting the FOC by changing the broadhead adapter weight.

      A 300 grain screw on broadhead will always be a 300 grain broadhead while 225 grain glue on head can be less than 300 grains using aluminum or titanium adapters. Using standard steel adapters, the glue on 225 grain head could be 300,325 0r 350 grains.

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      vintage archer wrote:
      A 300 grain screw on broadhead will always be a 300 grain broadhead while 225 grain glue on head can be less than 300 grains using aluminum or titanium adapters. Using standard steel adapters, the glue on 225 grain head could be 300,325 0r 350 grains.

      Couldn’t you achieve similar results with a screw-on head and various weighted inserts?

    • Vintage Archer
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      Smithhammer

      Yes you can , and that is a good system.Thanks for reminding me about the add on weights .You can also add the same weights to the glue on that is screwed in to the adapter to gain additional weight. There is just a lot of options with the glue on as well as the screw on for the FOC enthusiast . .For those that are not familair of the weight system that Smithhammer and I are talking about you can see them at the following link http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/GrizzlyStik-Arrow-Accessories-C8.aspx

      There are probably other manafactures of this type sstem al

    • Brennan Herr
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      Joe,

      thanks for the response it is appreciated

      Brennan

    • Troy Breeding
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      I’m just waiting on those 300gr glue-on heads. With my homemade adpt. I’ll be able to pass the 500gr range, may even be close to 600grs

      Troy

    • Vintage Archer
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      Troy Breeding wrote:

      I’m just waiting on those 300gr glue-on heads. With my homemade adpt. I’ll be able to pass the 500gr range, may even be close to 600grs

      Troy

      Troy, I am glad you mentioned weights like that I mentioned to a friend the other day that a 400 grain glue on broadhead might be practical with the FOC archers are ataining. He laughed! It might not be that crazy of a idea. It would be a bruizer .100 thick maybe?? This is not a anouncement just thinking which always gets me in trouble.

    • Bruce Smithhammer
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      vintage archer wrote:
      This is not a anouncement just thinking which always gets me in trouble.

      Which is a healthy thing, from time to time, and should be encouraged.

      And I have no idea why my post is blue.

    • Troy Breeding
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      Lets see,,,, 400gr BH, 250gr or maybe even a 275gr homemade steel BH adpt (if they work out right), 100gr brass insert, approx. 60gr internial footing??????

      Now the only problem will be to find a shaft stiff enough to handle that 800+ grs. up front.

      May have to switch that interinal footing for a full length insert shaft…Laughing

      When finished all I’d have to do would be to drop it on a deer to make the kill.Surprised

      Hey!!! wait a minute… Could I possibly be lookng at an arrow with 50% FOC?????

      Troy

    • Ed Ashby
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      Just to toss in my 2 cents worth, all things considered the glue-on broadhead system offers far more versatility than a screw-in BH, and either must be solidly secured to the insert/adaptor to be structurally sound. The number one, most important requirement in a hunting arrow is total structural integrity. It won’t matter how good your arrow flys, what broadhead you’re using, how sharp your broadhead is or how much your arrow weights if any portion of the arrow system breaks on impact with any of the entrance-side tissues it encounters on a given hit. Test results from freshly-downed animals; where arrow damage can’t be attributed to animal movement; shows that structural failure somewhere in the arrow system is far more common than most folks think.

      If a screw-in BH is used on ‘serious hunting arrows’ it should be firmly secured to the insert using LockTite, or a similar product. If the screw-in broadhead is even slightly loose it becomes a markedly weak point in the arrow-system. Of course the same applies to a screw-in broadhead adaptor, and it should be similarly secured on those ‘serious hunting arrows’.

      With all synthetic shafts, the strongest broadhead-to-shaft system is with a glue-on broadhead attached to a one-piece steel insert/broadhead adaptor, such as those from Traditional Archery Solutions. For anyone interested here’s a link: http://traditionalarcherysolutions.bubbaspc.com/traditionalarcherysolutions/about_us.asp. When either a screw-in BH or a glue-on BH is used with an aluminum insert and/or broadhead adaptor the aluminum component automatically becomes the weakest link in the broadhead-to-shaft attachment.

      Bottom line is that, for your ‘serious hunting arrows’ either system can be made structurally secure, but doing so requires securing every component into a single, non-movable unit. Once that’s done there’s really no inherent advantage to having a screw-in broadhead.

      Ed

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