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    • letitgo
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      Hello, looking for some advice. First, I am NOT trying to start a broad head debate but wondering if anyone has used these heads and how they worked. Also, would you recommend taking the bleeder blades out for better penetration. I shoot a 50# recurve with aluminum arrows and was thinking about these heads for bear hunting. Thanks.

    • jpcjpc
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      I passed throug a big black bear with 2117 alu and zwikey blade Bow was 50 Lbs But Black bears seems wery weak vs arrows

      With same set I killed an Européan 170 Lbs wild boar

    • Alexandre Bugnon
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      A few years ago, I inherited a few 220gr phantoms 4-blades from a friend and had a full pass thru lung shot using one. the last time I used one, though, I missed and the broadhead exploded in pieces when it hit a soft pine tree. I stopped trusting them after that, and just went back to solid 2 blades, double and single bevel. I have no experience with the newer lighter ones, but personally I would not use them. I have a friend in Jersey who shoots 45# recurves and longbows. He loves them, so go figure!:D

      PS: I would definitely take bleeders off.

    • Stephen Graf
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      alexbugnon wrote: … I missed and the broadhead exploded in pieces when it hit a soft pine tree. I stopped trusting them after that…

      Some years ago I used a blade of similar design and had exact same experience and response.

    • jpcjpc
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      Archery industry is like all other industries

      Invent every year a new product to increase sales into believing that their equipment worth nothing and that progress is expensive

      Even long , bowhunters have products that are proven

      Why traditional archers should constantly change to a more modern product even if it is worthless when they have perfects end proven products

      Retractable blades are a true example of what trade can lead to nonsense 😈

    • Alexandre Bugnon
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      JPC, I believe the question was only and specifically about the Muzzy Phantoms, and not a call to “the war of the broad head”! Also everyone here knows about the futility of mechanical broad heads, so relax! 8)

      (La question est simplement au sujet des muzzy phantoms, et non un appel au débat “quelle est la meilleure lame”!)

      De plus, tout le monde ici connait la futilité des lames rétractables, donc relax!8)

    • letitgo
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      Thanks Alex, I was given these heads as a gift and don’t want to spend money I don’t have but are unfamiliar with their performance. I saw videos of Fred Bear using a 4 blade and worked for him. Just wondering if folks had positive experiences with these four blades as I am new to hunting.

    • jpcjpc
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      alexbugnon wrote: JPC, I believe the question was only and specifically about the Muzzy Phantoms, and not a call to “the war of the broad head”! Also everyone here knows about the futility of mechanical broad heads, so relax! 8)

      (La question est simplement au sujet des muzzy phantoms, et non un appel au débat “quelle est la meilleure lame”!)

      De plus, tout le monde ici connait la futilité des lames rétractables, donc relax!8)

      Absolutely, I do not like to open any debate

      Just thinking about a trade that does not care about ethics

      Remember I’m french and I do not do with english as I would like 🙄

    • Alexandre Bugnon
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      letitgo wrote: Thanks Alex, I was given these heads as a gift and don’t want to spend money I don’t have but are unfamiliar with their performance. I saw videos of Fred Bear using a 4 blade and worked for him. Just wondering if folks had positive experiences with these four blades as I am new to hunting.

      No problem. Since you’re new to hunting, and I suppose traditional bowhunting, I strongly suggest that you spend $20 for the 3-pack of Zwickey Eskimos or No Mercy, or $30 for a 6-pack of the excellent ACE heads! (plus $10 for an Accusharp handheld sharpener ;)). You could make those the first three go-to hunting arrows, and keep the Muzzy arrows as the extra 1 or 2 arrows in your quiver. Good luck with everything! Don’t hesitate to ask for info around here! 😉

    • jpcjpc
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      Very good suggestion

      3-pack of Zwickey Eskimos or No Mercy, or $30 for a 6-pack of the excellent ACE heads

    • DK
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      I killed a turkey a few years ago with one and it broke when I pulled it out of a piece of oak it was stuck in. I am sure it won’t fail most of the time but I think you could do better. I think four blade is a good idea for bears though. I hear they don’t bleed a lot.

      DK

    • wojo14
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      DK wrote: I killed a turkey a few years ago with one and it broke when I pulled it out of a piece of oak it was stuck in. I am sure it won’t fail most of the time but I think you could do better. I think four blade is a good idea for bears though. I hear they don’t bleed a lot.

      DK

      When I went on a black bear hunt 2 years ago with an archery shop I was the only trad hunter among compound and crossbow guys. We had a 90% kill/recovery. Most of those guys used 4 blade heads of some type and had very small blood trails. I on the other hand used a 2 blade and a huge blood trail. Keep in mid these guys were shooting 370-425 grain avg arrow weight with 4 blade steep angle heads. My set up was around 560 and 2 blade. Just my observation. I will be using 2 blades the rest of my hunting life. By the way, I have a brand new set of Phantom heads if anyone is looking for some…8)

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