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    • Clay Hayes
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        All right, I’ve finally made it around to doing what I had intended to do when I posted the “how many bowyers” tread so long ago. If anyone’s interested in a snaky self bow build-along, pull up a chair. Lets see what we can do.

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        We’ll start off with a seasoned piece of osage that I cut back in Alabama a few years ago. I’ve already taken the bark and sapwood off down to one growth ring. We’ll start hacking away tomorrow.
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      • Patrick
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          8) I’m firmly planted in my chair.

        • Chris Shelton
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            awesome clay I will definatly be watching and learning!:D

          • Clay Hayes
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              Here’s something I forgot to mention earlier.

              After I got the bark off I discovered these little SOB’s This piece of wood is riddled with holes but I think I’ll be able to lay the bow out to miss most of them. There will be one hole through the top limb. I haven’t figgured out how I’m gonna handle that one yet. We’ll just have to see when we get there.

            • William Warren
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                Wow, those beggars really eat up some wood. I get these little beetle larvae in my hickory sometimes and can ruin a stave.
                Anyhow, you have my attention too.

                Duncan

              • Stephen Graf
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                  I have 4 “oranges” I’m going to plant this spring… Anybody want some seeds?

                  Looking forward to seeing yet another osage beauty come into the world!

                • Clay Hayes
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                    A hole through a limb isn’t necessarily a bad thing. When a hole forms from a small branch or knot rotting out while the tree is alive, the tree compensates for it by adding wood around the weak spot. You can see that in the pics below.

                    Unfortunately, the holes made by these little grubs are a different matter entirely. There’s no additional wood to compensate for the weakness so we’ll have to decide on something to fill them with. I’ve never tried this before so I’m not sure how it’ll work. I was thinking of mixing epoxy and osage shavings but I’m up for suggestions. I also thought of whittling a little peg and super-gluing it in place.

                    There will be several holes in the bow, but only one will be in the working part of the limb. O the suspense. Has this little hole doomed this project before it was even started? I guess we’ll find out.

                  • William Warren
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                      Clay,
                      with beetle damage I have found a hole through the grain is less likely to fail that one than goes across the grain.
                      If you can work the cross grain damage out of the bow it will be OK but if left anywhere in cross section it will break. I think a dowel plug might work on a hole through the grain.
                      Duncan

                    • David Petersen
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                        Clay — I’ve only built a few osage selfbows — most have been osage or hickory-backed osage board bows. However one of my selfbows had a rather large worm hole in the middle of the upper limb and didn’t cause any problems whatover. Just as with working around a knot, I left the limb a bit thicker and wider at that point and no problem. I joked that it was a built-in sight window! Certainly a worn hole toward an edge could be more probematic. My favorite selfbows are “character” bows, with holes, snakey limbs, etc. Keep building! dave

                      • Clay Hayes
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                          I didn’t get around to posting this yesterday, but I was able to draw a rough outline of the bow on the wood, split off the excess on one side of the stave, and drawknife down the sides pretty close to what the finished bow will look like straight on.

                          I start off by starting a hatchet at one end and driving it down with a hammer. This can be a rather risky thing to try as the split will often try to run into the stave(as we’ll see later). This piece of wood behaved remarkably well though. As you can see from the photo below I was able to split off a narrow piece that will one day make a fine kids bow.

                          After the excess was split off, I used a sharp draw knife to take the wood down to the line’s I’d drawn. A note on drawn lines – I usually draw an outline on the stave, but this is only a reference. The grain will dictate where the line should really be and you often won’t know that until you start in with the knife. If I go inside my line on one side, I just compensate by leaving a little extra on the opposite.

                          In the pic below, you can see a split trying to run into the stave and inside my line. From experience, I know that if I were to continue on with this split, it would curve over and angle into what will be the back of the bow (facing the camera)-(if that makes any since). If you’ve worked with osage much, you probably know what I’m saying. Anyway, I just backed the draw knife out and used a hatchet to take the split off before it ran any deeper. Easy fix if you catch it early.

                          Below is the stave after taking it down to the profile lines and smoothing it up with the draw knife.

                          You can see I’ve drawn the lines for taking wood off the belly side. Also you can see some back set:D This stave’s got about an inch and a half or so.

                        • Chris Shelton
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                            lookin good clay!

                          • Clay Hayes
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                              I took the belly side down to near the line I’d drawn on both top and bottom limbs with a hatchet.

                              After the heavy work was done, I cleaned everything up with a drawknife. You can really see the backset in the second pic below.

                              I had a little help today.

                            • William Warren
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                                Looks like it is going well. I’ve not worked with osage but have read of how the grain must be followed.
                                It is good to have a little helper, start em young!

                              • Tom 6107
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                                  Clay, your making me want a stave! Very interesting and informative. Not to sound pushy but, more please!

                                  Tom

                                • Clay Hayes
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                                    Ok, now we’re gonna get something done. I had plenty of time today to work on this project.

                                    Yesterday afternoon I whittled a small peg and superglued it into the one worm hole I was concerned with, then I cut it off and worked the limb like any other.

                                    After getting it all cleaned up and semi smooth with the draw knife I started in with the scraper (I use an old sheath knife) to reduce the thickness a little at a time until the limbs started bending.

                                    At this point I could just tiller the bow out and finish it off, but that’d be too easy. I’ve always been rather fond of curves so what the heck. Once the bow was floor tillered and bending fairly well, I greased the limb tips and put them(one at a time of course) in the oven to heat up. I usually heat the wood until it’s too hot to handle but be careful, it needs to be heated throughout, not just the outside. I grease the wood to cut down on losing any moisture that’s still in the wood, causing it to become brittle. Once the wood is hot and flexible, into the form it goes.

                                    A little test after both tips are bent and everything is cooled.

                                    Now I’ll cut in the knocks and we’re ready to start some serious tillering.

                                  • Clay Hayes
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                                      Below are pics of the bow before and after bracing for the first time. You can see in the second pic that the limb to the right is bending more than the left one. There also appears to be a slight hing in the center of the right limb. The bow would probably pull 90 lbs at this point so we have plenty of room to remove wood and even things out.

                                      This is a little better. I marked the hinge so I wouldn’t take off any more wood in that area, took a few scrapes off the strong limb and this is the result (first pic). It’s still way heavy so I took a little more wood of both limbs (second pic). Little at a time.

                                      The top limb is a bit stiff so a few more scrapes off that one. A few minor adjustments, and an arrow shelf later and here you have it.

                                    • Holten101
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                                        What a beauty…looks like quite the shooter with lots of character too:-)

                                        Very inspiring tread and super pics…thanks Clay.

                                        Cheers

                                      • Stephen Graf
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                                          Very nice!! So what will you finish the bow with?

                                          I’d like to see some pictures of the bow braced / unbraced after several hundred shots…

                                        • David Petersen
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                                            Good show, Clay. Thanks for the considerable effort. Don’t think I’d have the nerve to take my first shots with a new bow on video, since that’s when about half of mine blow up! Good luck on the moose draw. dave

                                          • Chris Shelton
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                                              clay awesome, awesome, you can definatly see the character that you cant see in the photos, thanks to the vid. Awesome, mabye now I can gather the courage to try it myself:lol:

                                            • William Warren
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                                                Clay,
                                                Great work! I have enjoyed following along with your progress. Looks like you had plenty of helpers on this project.
                                                Duncan

                                              • Mark Turton
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                                                  Clay, an excellent buildalong great to see the whole thing from stave to a shooting bow, I appreciate the effort it must take not only to make the bow but to document it also.

                                                  Good luck with the moose tag and looking forward to the trophy picture.

                                                  Mark.

                                                • Tom 6107
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                                                    Clay, excellent job. Would love to see a picture after you have done the final finish.

                                                    Tom

                                                  • Clay Hayes
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                                                      [quote=steve graf]Very nice!! So what will you finish the bow with?quote]

                                                      I’ll put a couple coats of tongue oil or spar on it to seal it up.

                                                      Thanks for following along guys. I’ve been thinking about using a couple of snake skins I’ve got lying around to back it with. It’d be purely cosmetic but I think it’d look good and I don’t have a snake backed bow.

                                                      ch

                                                    • thesingingbowyer
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                                                        Nice job, Clay! Don’t worry much about those holes…just follow the woods and you will be fine. A couple of my best shooters have big holes in them….just follow what the wood tells you, and you will be OK…usually. 😉

                                                      • Clay Hayes
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                                                          Beautyfull work Chad. It looks like we both have more bows than we know what to do with. 😀

                                                          I put the snake skin on the bow and finished it off. I’ll post some pics in a day or so.

                                                          ch

                                                        • Bert
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                                                            Talk about holes- check out the pic by Singing-Query?- do the holes whistle in the wind and is that a help or a hindrance? What key? Nice, nice bows!
                                                            Thanks Clay for the excellent buildalong and documentation- the Youtube is awesome- no sweat, just string it the old way, squat down, pull to anchor and say it’s about 70# or so! Gotta get a stave!
                                                            Bert

                                                          • cody
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                                                              Singingbowyer,
                                                              If can be a little nosey, where was that picture of all the bows taken at? It looks like Twin Oaks in Clarksville Tn. I was just wondering. Thanks

                                                            • thesingingbowyer
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                                                                Cody wrote: Singingbowyer,
                                                                If can be a little nosey, where was that picture of all the bows taken at? It looks like Twin Oaks in Clarksville Tn. I was just wondering. Thanks

                                                                You bet, Cody. When I lived in Nashville, I was up at Pappy’s regularly. He was the one that really got me hooked on selfbows… Wish I still lived close!

                                                              • cody
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                                                                  I’ve only been once in my life. Last year was my first trip up there of the Tennessee Classic. I liked it a lot and plan to go back this year. Well it looks like you do a good job on your bows. I appreciate the handy work

                                                                • thesingingbowyer
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                                                                    Cody,

                                                                    Its a darn nice place to work on a bow, huh….:wink: Its also a great place to hunt…usually. I hunted it for a week this past fall with no luck, but normally, it is awesome hunting!

                                                                    Hope to see you at the Classic this year!
                                                                    Chad

                                                                  • Chad Sivertsen
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                                                                      Good job Clay. I thought I had a nice shop but mine pales in comparison to yours, carpet, a full kitchen, I’m impressed.

                                                                      Chad, That is a nice bunch of bows, some look like they have a few years on them judging by the dark color.

                                                                    • Riverwolf
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                                                                        ………Very inspirational indeed !
                                                                        Great looking, shooting , and sounding Bow Clay .

                                                                        These past few years I have been thinking more and more about making my own osage bow , and this thread did little to get my mind off of it 😆

                                                                        Great thread , and Thank you for taking the time !

                                                                      • wTk
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                                                                          You self-bow guys drive me crazy. You must not drink any coffee or you have nerves of steel. I love the looks of them but they are way over my head. Great job!

                                                                        • MontanaFord
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                                                                            What are some other good self-bow woods besides osage? What would I find up here in NW Montana, anyway? Yew, I know is good…but hard to come by in any kind of size…what else??

                                                                            Michael.

                                                                          • John Carter
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                                                                              Thanks,

                                                                              I like your dog too.

                                                                              John.

                                                                            • ssumner1
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                                                                                I will definitely need to study quite a bit before I feel comfortable enough to be able to make my own bow. I must say though, I am about to start making arrows I think and see how that turns out.

                                                                              • David Petersen
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                                                                                  Michael — Chad Sivertsen, a very experienced and expert MT selfbow maker, should be able to answer that question for you. As a CO bowyer I don’t mind at all ordering osage to work with. dp

                                                                                • Chad Sivertsen
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                                                                                    Well, I’m a bit late on this one. I’ve been playing in the woods and in my shop making stuff.

                                                                                    IMO, Osage is very special bow wood, toughness and performance is the best. But, there are a lot of other bow woods that will work, especially for a learning process.

                                                                                    NW Montana is an ok place but not known for quality bow wood. However, good bows can be made from ServiceBerry (June Berry), Choke Cherry, Mountain Maple and our local Yew. There are a few pockets of bow quality Yew scattered around NW Montana but will be as hard to find as a big bull elk. All of these woods will make a good bow but will be a challenge for a beginning bowyer. Fruit trees can make bows, I am currently working on a bow using a stave from a plum tree I cut last summer. It is full of knots with a couple of twists but holds promise.

                                                                                    If you have wood working experience and can communicate with wood and see and hear what it is telling you then the wood itself will guide you to a bow, if there is a bow in there. Obviously you will not reach that level without some experience.

                                                                                    For the first bow or two,depending on financial considerations, I would recommend purchasing a good stave from someone that offers quality Osage staves. That will up your odds of success.

                                                                                  • George Tsoukalas
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                                                                                      Clay, that was an excellent buildalong. That bow came out great! Jawge

                                                                                    • mikelee
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                                                                                        I could never understand why anyone would want to spend so much time building a ‘crooked stick” when you can buy such beautiful custom bows already made! lol . Now I Totality ” get” it.That was awesome . Thanks so much!

                                                                                      • Clay Hayes
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                                                                                          Thanks George. Mike, it may be time to pick up a stave:wink:

                                                                                        • aeronut
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                                                                                            Good build-along Clay. Looks like it will be a good shooter.

                                                                                            Michael. I don’t know what kind of trees you have up there but I have seen some good bows made from Hackberry, Black Locust, & Hickory.

                                                                                            Dennis

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