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    • Troy Breeding
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      “Bigger than ever before” “A true Monster”

      “Previews next week right here on this thread”

    • ptschantz
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      after the straight jacket thread :D, I can’t wait!

      I am going to start with woods and a relatively heavy head, but would still be interested in pursuing an EFOC or better this summer.

    • Troy Breeding
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      ptschantz,

      To get the full run of what I’m doing you need to read the full run of threads. (Dr Ashby pointed this out to me)

      This thread named “Maybe, Just Maybe” was my start.

      https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=9FBD5283-1422-1DE9-EDFC70D9E9256921

      Second thread was “You can hang up the straightjacket”

      https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=B0F0B246-1422-1DE9-ED3E7C7672E9EB83

      In and out during my run I posted in the thread “Along look at fletching and EFOC”

      https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=C8EA4FBD-1422-1DE9-ED1A1C909376B7B6

      Afterwards came the thread “Fronkinsteen flies, she flies”

      https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=82BCA52F-1422-1DE9-ED7A414F5E9C0794

      The last thread on this was named “Feathers!!! what Feathers???

      https://www.tradbow.com/members/cfmbb/messages.cfm?threadid=8CEF2218-1422-1DE9-ED9091068EB49702

      Once you have all the threads read you will be able to see where I’m going.

      Yea, I’m pretty sure once your back to this point you will most likely say “I have too much free time on my hands”.

      Either that, or you will think I’m one crazy nut case.:D

      Troy

    • ptschantz
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      thanks for the links! I’ll be doing some reading tonight.

    • David Petersen
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      PT — If you’re shooting woods and hot for EFOC … good luck. FYI the heaviest glue-on heads I know of are Tuffhead 300s, available both as superb broadheads and “artillery shell” brass field points. Best I’ve been able to do with woods so far, even with these weighty heads and relatively light single-tapered wood shafts (Sitka spruce) is just shy of EFOC. I personally don’t trust the WoodyWeights, but the problems I had with them separating in extreme-impact tests (angled shots into trees) from glue-in points could well be a “personal problem” with gluing technique, because others have used them to good success. 300-grain heads with WoodyWeights should get a guy at least into the low 20% FOC. It’s all good fun, and the EFOC and other Ashby-research magic DOES work.

      But a few words of caution: Watch out for the likes Dr. Ed, King, Todd, Elkfart and that sort of heretic … I hear from afar that they are not only entirely insane, they are downright evil. As moderator here, I’d delete every post they make, but they bribe me not to. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • ptschantz
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      Thanks David, I’ll keep an eye on them 8)

      I’m not trying for EFOC with the woodies, I’m shooting 75-80# shafts, 29.5″ with 190gr up front. I have some of the 225gr field points coming and will try them. If I get good flight I’ll try the 225 Tuffheads. Other wise I’ll be shooting the 200 Grizzly’s.

      According to Stu Miller’s calculator the 225’s would give me just over 15% with a ~680gr total. The 200’s would be just over 13% at ~660gr total. I have a hog hunt coming up in April, so not much time for experimentation. After that I’ll probably play with carbons and EFOC weighting in preparation for deer season. I’m really enjoying the conversations here!

      Pete

    • kingwouldbe
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      Hey Troy, can you put the title or name each one of your links for easier research

      Thanks bro

    • Troy Breeding
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      King,

      I went back and edited my second post. I added the names of the threads to the links.

      Hopefully this is what your looking for.

      Troy

    • Vintage Archer
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      Troy so what does King Kong have over Fronkinsteen and is King Kong any relation to Kingwouldbe.:lol:

      Sorry David D I could not pass that up even after thinking about it twice. :lol::lol:

    • Vintage Archer
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      Troy I know you said bigger and better but antiicpation is killing me.

    • kingwouldbe
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      vintage archer wrote: Troy so what does King Kong have over Fronkinsteen and is King Kong any relation to Kingwouldbe.:lol:

      Sorry David D I could not pass that up even after thinking about it twice. :lol::lol:

      Not that I know of Joe, Troy is keeping this one close to the vest……. I think he saw some black hawk helicopters circling his house…. he has switched over to the OUTER-LIMITS

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    • horserod
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      Oh no, not the “dark side”………Aaaaaah! ๐Ÿ˜† Bullseye

    • Troy Breeding
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    • RalphRalph
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      Yessir, we must be cautious!!!!!! Stealth is in the order of the day! King Kong approacheth!:)

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    • Troy Breeding
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      “For now the weather is good and I see no avation in the air”

      “let the testing begin”

      “Ha ha ha,,, this testing is strang, but fun”

      “most of all,,,, it’s tuned out to be “SHOCKING””!!!

    • Troy Breeding
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    • RalphRalph
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      OK!!!

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    • Troy Breeding
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    • Troy Breeding
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    • RalphRalph
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      Ya!

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    • RalphRalph
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      Ha! Troy!

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    • Troy Breeding
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    • horserod
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      Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy !!! ๐Ÿ˜†

    • Troy Breeding
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    • Troy Breeding
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    • kingwouldbe
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      I don’t believe it……. just like Kong, it’s a myth ๐Ÿ˜•

      There was a sighting of the yeti the other day also…….

    • Ed Ashby
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      Kingwouldbe wrote: There was a sighting of the yeti the other day also…….

    • kingwouldbe
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      LOL…..LOL…..LOL…. told ya!

    • Troy Breeding
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    • Troy Breeding
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    • Ed Ashby
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      I’m all ears!

    • Troy Breeding
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      For those of you that are into this kind of arrows, here is a e-mail I sent Ed yesterday during the testing.

      E-Mail to Ed:::

      Amigo, I ran into something this morning like I’ve never seen.

      I started testing the “King Kong” shaft. The first shot really threw me when it left the bow heavy tail down and right.

      I took several other shots just to make sure I saw what I did. The same thing everytime.

      Nocking point was set at 3/8″ above level. So lowering the nocking point was out of the question.

      Tail right said stiff. Couldn’t figure that one out since the shaft was basically the same as the one I used to make “Fronkinsteen”.

      With nothing to loose I tried shooting with the nock above the nocking point. Shots were now level instead of nock down, but the tail right was still there. All this still made no since at the time.

      I took several shots and then went back inside and had a cup of java to think things over.

      When finished I decided I had nothing to loose and started out by cutting off 1/8″.

      Raising the nock was totally backwards so what was it going to hurt by cutting a little off.

      Well, this showed to be the right thing to do. Tail right kick wasn’t near as bad. I made several more shots with the same results.

      Again I cut another 1/8″ off. This by all my previous testing said to me I was screwing up, but so far it was working.

      After afew shots I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The shots were getting straighter with each cut. Now the shaft was flying with only a slight tail right kick and still impacting right along the line.

      Back at the saw I debated as to how much to cut and finally gave into another 1/8″.

      The only thing I can figure out at this point is the shaft has to be banking off the riser causing a false stiff reading.

      After several more shots with even cleaner flight I’d have to say this type setup has to be bass awkwards in tuning. I mean, when the point weighs over twice what the shaft does anything can be expected, correct????

      I made a 1/16″ cut with better results and decided to take another 1/16″ cut.

      After shooting several more shots the shaft is shooting darn good as long as I do my part on release. I don’t know wether to chance making even a blade width cut or let things be?

      I had to call it a day when the rain started. It’s supposed to drop in temps and start snowing later this evening and on thru sometime tomarrow. It may be one day next week before I get a chance to carry on.

      Anyway, GET THIS!!!!

      As of right now the stats are::

      Total weight of shaft;;; 1399gr

      BHFOC:::: 47.17742%

      End e-mail::::

      I’ve tested and tuned several different setups and this one threw me the biggest curve I’ve ever seen.

      Troy

    • kingwouldbe
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      Some things are just unbelievable ………. ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

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    • Troy Breeding
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      This was his reply:::

      You are into unknown territory with the tuning on this one, however I’ve seen enough false reading on lower FOC arrows, when the tuning was way off, that I can believe anything. You’re now exploring and learning things that no one else knows. It’s all interesting stuff that adds to our knowledge base. Of course the detractors will say what you are seing in not possible. LOL

      Ed

    • Troy Breeding
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      I didn’t take alot of pics during the tuning. However, I did rememeber to take a few.

      This is what the first few shots looked like. This shot was from 15yds.

      This pic was after nocking the shaft above the nocking point.

      Now at 20yds and after making the last cut.

      27yds is point on. As you can see the flight does have some arc to it.

      Then this happened. Yep, epoxy failure… My falt, got in a hurry and didn’t scuff the inside of the shaft. Took me over thirty minutes to open up the target to find my point and insert.

      It’s all back together now and will hopefully hold. I think I’m going to try fletching the shaft with three 1″x3/8″ feathers and see how it flies.

      Troy

    • kingwouldbe
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      Ok…….

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    • RalphRalph
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      It’s going!

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    • Ed Ashby
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      … I’d insist that you try it unfletched with a broadhead before you fletch it up.

      Ed

    • Troy Breeding
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      I thought about trying it with a BH … However, today wouldn’t be a good day to try anything to do with tuning. Wind steady at 30MPH with gust in excess of 50MPH.:D

      Troy

    • Ed Ashby
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      … it when Troy has a VALID excuse.

    • RalphRalph
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      Like it blows here in Amarillo?:D:D

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    • Troy Breeding
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      Well, the wind finally decided to give me a break.

      Have to test when conditins allow, ya know.

      Anyway, wanting to know if Kong would handle a broadhead without fletching was first on the agenda.

      Started out with the fieldpoint to loosen up and would later switch to the broadhead.

      First few shots really sucked. Couldn’t get a clean release to save my hide.:(

      Finally things started to come together. Kong was shooting as good as ever.:D

      UNTIL!!!!:shock:

      I drew a brain F@%# and pulled the wrong gap.:x

      I have no idea what I was thinking. I was shooting at 20yds and for some reason pulled a gap for something like 5 yds.

      The release was clean, the shaft flew straight and flawless.

      That was until it hit the 2×4 below the foam.:cry:

      Needless to say it was UGLY!!

      Couldn’t even see the 300gr fieldpoint, it was clean out of sight.

      Next thing I noticed was the exterior footing was all the way back at the nock.

      When I grabbed the shaft to unscrew the point it fell out in my hand. The epoxy joint between the 300gr point and the first woodie weight had given up the ghost as well.:cry:

      Twenty minutes later I had the fieldpoint out of the wood and everything was headed to the arrow hospital, aka bow room, aka junk room as my wife calls it.

      Everything is now healing up nicely.

      Troy

    • RalphRalph
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      Ug! Board hard

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    • RalphRalph
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      Stealth arrows to start with. Hope this works with photobucket app on iPhone??

      I tried some experiments with EFOC with these shafts and of course with wood more weight up front is a major factor with spine. Simpler to stay with 125 gr. or perhaps 145 gr. to weaken a bit of a too stiff a spine and shoot a heavier wood for weight if I want. We’re always trying to improve and experiment and play but it’s really hard to beat a properly spined wood shaft with 125 gr. “sharp” broadheads and a +/- 50# bow for what most of us do.

      I’ll leave my EFOC business to my carbon shafts and be happy with that.

      I do have some 3555’s, 29.25″, with 100 gr. brass inserts and 125 gr. points with 47# longbow that are smoking. They come out right at 497 gr. total weight. I’m shooting right @ 27 1/2″ draw.

    • David Petersen
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      Well, there’s nothing like a good cartoon thread to bait Kingwouldbe out of his lurker’s cave. I expect him to show up here any moment now …

    • kingwouldbe
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      To Funny Dave…….lol

      Some times I got nothing to say

    • David Petersen
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      Toldyaso! Toldyaso! How is business in the hog killing industry been of late? No recession, I hope. I’m not the only one who misses those great bloody photos of great bloody hogzillas. ๐Ÿ˜›

      Keep on truckin’ …

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    • jpcarlson
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      So Troy, give us some stats on what you are building!

    • Troy Breeding
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      Not working on anything at this time.

      After building the number of bows I did for myself this past summer, I see no need for another bow.

      Soon as the weather warms I will be setting up arrows.

      I’ll keep everyone updated when that starts.

      Troy

    • RalphRalph
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      Yes, one must be careful with one’s plans when it is cold out!

    • tombow
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      Umm, after all the “Troy” foolery, can you provide the uninformed with detailed KONG build information? I would have used Tomfoolery but that’s my job and I ain’ta lettin’ nobodeh take my job! I know, I know, I am HI-larious!

      Seriously though, breakidown fer us, Mr. Troy, won’t ya please???

    • RalphRalph
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      Wind is gonna be 60+ today so any tests are out for sure.

    • Troy Breeding
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      Tombow wrote: Umm, after all the “Troy” foolery, can you provide the uninformed with detailed KONG build information? I would have used Tomfoolery but that’s my job and I ain’ta lettin’ nobodeh take my job! I know, I know, I am HI-larious!

      Seriously though, breakidown fer us, Mr. Troy, won’t ya please???

      Tom,

      Wow, can’t really remember what all I used to make it with. I know I used a Victory V-Force HV carbon shaft with 100gr brass insert. I also used 125gr screw-in steel adpt. with several woodie weights and a 300gr Tuffhead fieldpoint. The length of the shaft was cut to allow near perfect bareshaft flight out of my 55#@29″ recurve.

      That’s about all I can tell you right now. I’ve pulled apart alot of the different shaft setups to be able to use the fieldpoints for practice.

      Troy

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