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    • RalphRalph
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      I was at the lease yesterday tending to quail feeders and snooping about a bit.

      I found a couple of spikes the day before opener:D

      Good hunting to all, and shoot well.

      Let’s share our fall here ya think???

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      That steer is sporting an awesome headpiece! First morning on the stand squirrel and bird watching. Always tough standing still the first time out. My buddy kicked out a deer on his way to his stand and we kicked out another on the way out. No shots, but a beautiful morning. Dwc

    • Ptaylor
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      Only a couple more weeks of deer season, no shots fired yet. I’ve been close to a few animals, but none of them were legal. Here are some more small game pictures:

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    • grumpygrumpy
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      11 days.

    • Stephen Graf
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      Hay Preston, nice getup! And nice game.

      With the dearth of deer around here, small game is about all there is. I did see a ground hog yesterday while mowing. That would have been cause to stop right there and run home for the bow. But the coyote’s have been so hard on everything I just couldn’t work up the excitement.

      No beavers, no frogs, few squirrel, no deer. The coyote population should crash this winter I hope.

      Keep the pictures a coming!

    • Ptaylor
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      Steve,

      Why/how has the deer population at your place gotten so low?

    • Stephen Graf
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      I’m blaming the coyotes. There was a study done in SC a few years ago, and now one done in NC that show the coyotes get 75 to 80 percent of the fawns. The deer can’t recover from that.

      When it was observed that the deer population hasn’t crashed in the north or the west from coyotes, the question followed: why in the southeast? The current answer to that question is that the rut down here is not well defined. Does are bred from late October through January. Thus when the fawns are born, they come in a long steady stream. Plenty of time for the coyotes to eat them all.

      In other parts of the country with a well defined rut, the fawns are born in a 2 week period. The coyotes can stuff themselves and still not eat enough to hurt the population.

      Anybody have a good coyote recipe?

    • bruc
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      The best “coyote recipe ” is to have the coyote pelt worth some money !

      I checked in the Manitoba tragpping regulation book and it shows close to 12,000 pelts being sold in the 2014-15 season . The average per pelt was $108.54

      Our deer population is healthy and our coyote population is healthy !

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Steve,

      That’s an intense take on the deer population. Our rut is much more defined although there is usually a second, limited rut later. I’ll lookup the current stats but my understanding is that black bears take the most fawn. We have a healthy deer, bear and coyote population. We don’t have much in the way of small game, except squirrels. The rabbits and grouse population diminished before the coyote population came along, mostly due to deer over browsing and habitat loss. Things change. Skunks were top of the list for Great Horned Owls, now it’s house cats.

    • RalphRalph
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      dwcphoto wrote: Steve,

      Things change. Skunks were top of the list for Great Horned Owls, now it’s house cats.

      Take dat puddy cat!!!!!!!!!

      Tweety’s revenge..,.,

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Exactly. On an other note… I missed a very nice buck this morning. Big guy came running up the hill, then down the woods road the other direction. It gave me a big smile and I figured that was that. A little bit later he, or another similar fellow came walking my direction. He crossed the stone row and gave me a series of beautiful broadside views, but a little too far out, maybe 20 yards or so. Again, I smiled and figured this was that. Then he turned and took some steps toward me and swung around to give me a pretty side view and stuck his head behind a tree. I bet that just happens all the time to most of you guys. By this time though, I had to lean out backward away from my little oak to shoot past some nearby brush. The shot was on its way and perhaps a little early in the draw, although it felt pretty good. I heard a thump and saw my new friend skip a step forward. He walked a couple of feet into some brush and just stood there browsing. I looked him over with my binos and for the life of me couldn’t stare a set of holes in him. I wondered why he didn’t just fall asleep like I planned. I scanned the ground and found my arrow in the lenses and saw a nice clean bright set of yellow fletching. The fellow hung around in the brush within 40 yards of me for the next hour before he drifted off. Man, he would’ve had a bunch of burgers. I felt nice and steady when he came in, then after the shot I got to vibrating where I had a hard time holding the glasses on him. Then it all got calm again and I was really excited for the experience. I had a short bout of wish I coulda, woulda, this afternoon, but it’s all good. What a blessing to be put in the presence of such a beautiful animal… and some squirrels and a pileated woodpecker, too.

      All the best to you all, dwc

    • grumpygrumpy
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      At least you didn’t fall out of the tree, or mess your diaper.

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Ain’t it the truth!

    • Ptaylor
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      Dang that’s close DWC!!

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      If I wasn’t before, and I was, I’m amped for the season now! Dc

    • RalphRalph
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      Grumpy wearin diapers? That oughta help one to sit still longer:D Less it’s really cold.. That could be a chilly deal.

    • David Fudala
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      Well I just got back from my Boundary Waters bear hunt and although I did not get one the trip was anything but a failure. 2 weeks of wilderness hunting with longbow in hand, what more could one need? I found some beautiful areas, the woods were gorgeous. Actually did find good, fresh sign but never caught up with any bruins. For clarification, I was simply still hunting, no bait or other means. Just felt like testing my knowledge regardless of the outcome. I discovered early in the trip that the bears were currently hitting young European ash trees that were still laden with berries so I concentrated on draws and openings where the trees were plentiful. Just never crossed paths with any although they were clearly around. Fortunately the grouse were also heavy in the berries and I was able to procure a couple fantastic dinners of both Ruffes and Sprucies! Saw lots of Moose sign and got to listen to the wolves almost every evening. Say what you will about them, the wilderness just wouldn’t be the same without them! Deer sign was practically non-existent mostly due to the rash of consecutive harsh winters we have endured in the past few years. All in all, it was truly a privileged experience that I will cherish the memories from and hope that I can return again next year. Now it’s time to get out back home and see where the white tails are and see if I can make this the year I get my first longbow deer? Hope everyone is having a fantastic season!

    • Ptaylor
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      Sounds like an awesome hunt in the Boundary Waters. I would love to float in a canoe, fish, hunt, camp and listen to the wolves for 2 weeks. Did you mean “mountain ash” trees? Those are the only shrubs with an “ash” in the name that I can recall has berries. But maybe there is a different species out by you, I’ve never heard of european ash with berries. It’s definitely a different game hunting bears with no bait or hounds and on the ground.

    • David Fudala
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      Ya, it’s properly termed the European mountain ash but know by many other names. I forgot to type in mountain when I wrote the first message. It’s berries are an October favorite of Bears and many birds, as I learned during my trip. By the end of the 2 weeks most groves I was watching were bare!

      It was a fantastic experience.

    • Ptaylor
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      Today was my last day deer hunting this season. Deer season officially ends next sunday, but I’m working this week and out of town on saturday. So this morning was the last hoorah. And I almost had a shot at a fork buck, things just didn’t work out in my favor this time. It was good to have some close encounters with deer, I was able to watch a doe and 4 fawns feed on tan oak acorns for 10 minutes. It was a good deer season and I feel like I learned more about them and how to hunt these black-tails better. Looking forward to some hog hunting this winter.

    • RalphRalph
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      Y’all don’t need to knee this. I took care of it today whist viewing the country for mule deer. My mind was busy with what I was seeing through my bino, not what was working on attacking me.

      My first though was snakebite:(

      The long spines drew blood, the little bitty, 3/8″ little buggers, are very unfriendly. I think between my wife and I we got them all out. I could feel them for sure on the hour drive home.

      You’d think after all these years and all of the miles I’ve tramped through my lease I’d learn to dodge the several trillion prickly pears that are out there.:roll:

      Glad I didn’t squat!!!!!!!!!!!!

      I did see some does and fawns early and a little spike with them but it has been so awful hot the last few days, I’m talking upper 90’s with 40 mph winds. It’s shattered the all time records and with red flag warnings (high wind, low humidity, high temps = extreme fire danger) I haven’t been out long at a time. Cooler weather coming. Yea:!::!:…

    • RalphRalph
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      This flowering sagebrush way more friendly.

      I decided too hot and windy to go check out the pockets in the canyons. That be waiting on a normal October weather day.

      The perspective is a little off in this phone pic. It’s a quarter mile to the other side and the canyon is several hundred feet deep.

      Good hunting to all………….

    • William WarrenWilliam Warren
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      The squirrels and the deer pure T hated my purple bandana. This is what happens when we go through the dresser drawer in the dark before having any coffee.

      The squirrels hurled insults at me and were extremely rude to their guest. The deer stamped their feet and ran away. I’ve never been so insulted in my life!

      In all reality it was most likely me moving and fidgeting and the morning thermal carrying my scent to the deer. Fun to shift blame though. πŸ™‚

      Purple and Green it goes together right? The white oak acorns out front should distract them.

      Super Shrew with some lodgepole shafts all camoed up some Zwickey Eskimos up front

    • RalphRalph
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      Yer arrow’s on the wrong side of the bow. That’s what gettin their attention… Got nothin’ to do with your fashion statement. πŸ˜†

      I do like that bow quiver…………

    • William WarrenWilliam Warren
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      R2 wrote: Yer arrow’s on the wrong side of the bow. That’s what gettin their attention… Got nothin’ to do with your fashion statement. πŸ˜†

      I do like that bow quiver…………

      Lefty for sure. The quiver is an EFA with a little modification done by me. I did nt like my arrows sticking out in front of the bow so I made some extensions which moves the quiver back a few inches. The EFA is so lightweight it doe not interfere with the Shrews balance. Love this setup.

    • Stephen Graf
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      I had a similar experience last night. Finally had a few deer trickle by about 6:30. A doe, a yearling, and a 4 pointer. They came from the “wrong” direction as usual. But the buck was going to let me have a go until the doe got on my trail.

      She dogged my trail all the way till she got within 10 yards and finally saw me. She got all indignant and huffy and then ran off. The buck was still mostly confused (aren’t we all when the girls get huffy… ) The doe ran off and then came back 3 times. By the third time the buck ran off too.

      I don’t think he knew why he was running off. It just seemed the thing to do.

      Saw one skinny squirrel who gave me the same treatment.

      The wind was perfect for a change. Or at least I thought it was. The deer ended up walking up wind when they finally came.

    • RalphRalph
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      Duncan wrote: [quote=R2]Yer arrow’s on the wrong side of the bow. That’s what gettin their attention… Got nothin’ to do with your fashion statement. πŸ˜†

      I do like that bow quiver…………

      Lefty for sure. The quiver is an EFA with a little modification done by me. I did nt like my arrows sticking out in front of the bow so I made some extensions which moves the quiver back a few inches. The EFA is so lightweight it doe not interfere with the Shrews balance. Love this setup.

      I know the feeling on the quivers. Mine are adaptations and parts and pieces of various brands of quivers I’ve tried over the years. Some I just flat wasn’t happy with, some failed and some were just not a good idea to start with (my opinion).

      I can see no reason to design a quiver where the arrows stick out in front of a bow??????????????

      That is a nice rig you have. Maybe need purple feather to match though:?

    • William WarrenWilliam Warren
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      I know the feeling on the quivers. Mine are adaptations and parts and pieces of various brands of quivers I’ve tried over the years. Some I just flat wasn’t happy with, some failed and some were just not a good idea to start with (my opinion).

      I can see no reason to design a quiver where the arrows stick out in front of a bow??????????????

      That is a nice rig you have. Maybe need purple feather to match though:?

      Hmmm. May have to do that to commemorate the occasion. Add a little purple and green to the crest too. This whole thing could become like an obsession to take a critter while wearing purple and green! Instead of camo.

    • William WarrenWilliam Warren
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      Steve Graf wrote: I had a similar experience last night. Finally had a few deer trickle by about 6:30. A doe, a yearling, and a 4 pointer. They came from the “wrong” direction as usual. But the buck was going to let me have a go until the doe got on my trail.

      She dogged my trail all the way till she got within 10 yards and finally saw me. She got all indignant and huffy and then ran off. The buck was still mostly confused (aren’t we all when the girls get huffy… ) The doe ran off and then came back 3 times. By the third time the buck ran off too.

      I don’t think he knew why he was running off. It just seemed the thing to do.

      Saw one skinny squirrel who gave me the same treatment.

      The wind was perfect for a change. Or at least I thought it was. The deer ended up walking up wind when they finally came.

      That doe had some nerve coming back 3 times for emphasis as if the first signs of indignation were not enough! Is it just me or are the squirrels becoming ever more insolent? They consumed all of my tomatoes this summer without so much as a howdy do. Well the season started on Monday so I guess you know, it is ON! I was off on Monday and there was not squirrel in sight.

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      After missing the buck two weeks ago I had a few lonely and peaceful times out. Gotta love squirrels and crows, as they are always faithful. Yesterday afternoon my hunting buddy and I decided to hunt different sections of woods together, sort of a recon thing to see if we could see any deer moving and where they might be hiding. Later afternoon an hour or so before dark I spotted a button buck and a doe coming along the bench down below me. Way out of range, they were fun to watch in the binos. They were briefly joined by a six point and then disappeared in the brush. A few minutes later a little bit smaller doe came toward me from down below and gave me nice broadside shot at nine or ten yards. The shot was on the mark this time and she lay down in about 50-60 yards with both lungs cut. I met my buddy back at his truck to hear he also took a nice doe about 10 minutes before I shot. We helped each other load up the deer and headed home for supper. I finished taking the meat and cleaned up by midnight. So grateful to have the venison in the frig.

      I’m enjoying this thread to read about the great experiences many of you are having. Keep those stories coming. I love see the photos from places I have yet to hunt. All the best to all of you, dwc

    • paleoman
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      Good thread and I’m enjoying too. dwc, glad you connected! Meat is neat once in a while…and your miss…you are not alone…October 9, 2009 still haunts me..I had a gift shot on the biggest buck of my life and blew it..maybe we should have our DR’s give us scripts to put in our packs to deal with the trauma:) Ralph…that cactus is the vegetable equivalent of a porky pine! We have these little “stickers” here that are hard to see but stick to boot laces, pants, etc..and stab like a bee-otch when you don’t see them…aah, the joys of the outdoors..safe safaris’ to all. I’m adding to my total of 4 hours out so far this October tomorrow..take care and good to see the 2016 news from the field here.

    • Stephen Graf
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      Congrats Dave! Nothing finer than walking through some new woods and getting a chance to shoot a deer. Very nice!

      And a double with your friend. It is rare that two hunting buddies get to go home with the same smile on their face.

    • Ptaylor
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      Nice DWC!

    • David Becker
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      It’s hard to believe that it’s been almost a month since elk season ended. Didn’t kill one, but saw lots of animals and learned a bunch. It was my first archery elk season, and I didn’t feel like I was wasting my time like I do when I walk around in November getting my rifle wet and trying to avoid hypothermia.

      Sometime, I’ll have to tell the story about how I completely missed the elk cow at 5 yards, but it’s “too soon.”

      Over on the “what you got going” thread, somebody commented that some people consider a parked pickup truck to be “elk sign.” That turned out to be true. We knew elk hunting could get kind of boring for some folks, so we obliged them by using a shed we were carrying to make a nice rub line for them to look at.

      Early deer season runs concurrently with elk, so it didn’t get much attention. I did manage to get up in my stand one evening. I heard the slightest noise behind me in the tree. I turned around to find a Western Screech Owl perched about two feet from my face. I suspect it had intended to sit on my tree stand to over watch the little clearing I hunt. We sat there and regarded each other for a few minutes before it flew off.

      Seeing elk at close range, and hanging out with an owl was enough to make my season a success.

    • RalphRalph
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      Good you did well David…Better said I guess, good that y’all did well.:D (Did well, done well? Regardless, good job).

      I’m out and about tomorrow, hunting, but like I told Doc Nock the other day it usually turns into an armed scouting trip.

      But I love every moment of it.

      I seek and find more than just critters on my armed walkabouts.

      Peace being the best of it, oneness with Mama Earth.

      I cain’t eat the bushes I hit with my blunts but there’s still a satisfaction in hitting them. πŸ™„

      I’d shoot prickly pears for revenge but you talk about a sticky, nasty arrow. Then there’s the factor of arrow retrieval………….

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Thanks, guys. Much appreciated! Thinking of those prickly pear cactus, it must be the widest spread cactus in the states. We have that cactus growing on a shale ridge here in NE Pa. Pretty cool. Dwc

    • paleoman
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      Everything but a deer today. Big Tommy turkey at 30′, birds nearly landing on me, squirrels in my lap..quite the serenade by coyotes on the way out too…and I have a green/ black checked jacket too. I think it makes me look fat – lol. The wool is more quiet than my camos is the main thing. Nice October day off. Btw, the hammock seat recommended here I’m sitting in..I feel a little butt naked on the ground but I’ve had my day with treestanding. Happy Fall all.

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    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Wide angles always add 10 pounds or maybe 50… looking good out there in any case! dwc

    • grumpygrumpy
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      All I’m gonna say about DWC is I’m jealous.

      Audrey says you look like me in that camo face mask. Got a big white mustash under there?

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Grumpy, that’s very flattering! I was going to spend the day cutting and grinding and packing, but decided to build a cutting and grinding table for the porch. I ran out of screws so there’s a trip to the hardware store after I drop my son off with his buddys at a corn maze and then finish the table. I suppose I’ll be cutting and grinding and packing tomorrow unless I get truly ambitious. best, dwc

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      Dave

      Another big congrats. Well done.

      Scott like your get up I have the same face mask–but I think it may scare the deer away.

      Good hunting to all

      Mike

    • Stephen Graf
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      Dave,

      Grinding your own meat? Fantastic!

      Your new processing table looks good, but it is statically indeterminate. You need some cross members (triangles) to make it sturdy. You will be working that table hard (I have faith in you), so add some corner braces…

      What kind of grinder do you have? I have a 1hp LEM grinder which works great, but was probably more machine than I needed. I bought a foot switch to go with it last year which really makes stuffing burger bags and sausages easier.

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Steve, I’ve been grinding for a few years now. Once I started with the traditional archery, I also started cutting up my own deer, plus a couple that were co-sponsored by the Chrysler Corporation and the PA Department of Transportation. I used to use by Kitchen-Aid mixer with an attachment, but I was afraid I’d burn that out and then what’s a guy do for cookies? I bought a Sunmile grinder online. It was certainly not top of the line, although it grinds faster that I can cut. It’s a 1000 watt model, whatever that translates into pony power. I wear earplugs when running the thing. It’s loud!

      The table will be fitted with a bottom shelf, back, sides and door on the front. It was actually very stable even with the little wobble wheels on the back legs. I put those on so I could pull it out to sweep. It’s also to be a grill counter. It worked really well. It could be longer, but then it wouldn’t fit where I need it. Time to vac pack the meat now. I cut a hind quarter piece into steaks and grilled them for supper. Oh yeah. Well, back to work…

      All the best, dwc

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      Missed a doe this morning…….Thank God.

      It’s good to drive like there may be a deer in the headlights………..There was, several…..whew…..

      Then when I started hunting all I saw was muley does (off limits), muley yearlings (off limits) and cows (off limits, out of bounds, hanging offense, get wrapped in barbed wire. Do not shoot a cow!!)…..They took the longhorns out last week, this week they put about a 100 head of Angus cows back in. They were lost, the whole huge pasture was on edge. Dang and double &$#@*&^%%**^$#**

      Guess I’ll try another area but the weather is foolishly hot right now. Never happens in Oct. Mid to upper 80’s every stinkin day….

      No rain, no cool, for at least the next ten days.

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      R2, I’ve heard cows called slow elk. Weather here has been way too warm also. Hope it cools off for ya. Glad your bumpers stayed smooth. Dc

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      David the ranchers around here learned slow death by torture back in the day as per Del Gue :wink:..I wouldn’t be so lucky as to have J. Johnson come trekking by. No killum slow elk. πŸ˜€

      Be good handle….”Slow Elk” πŸ˜† Copyright for R2 πŸ˜‰ Not necessarily a physical attribute but the functioning of my upper unit sometimes.

      Thanks for the well wishes….

    • jaytbuzzard
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      October 1st found me in my ground blind waiting for the sun to rise. I said a prayer asking for a good hunt. I know that any time in the woods could be considered a good hunt, but I was really hoping for a chance at a deer. My prayer consisted of having a deer come in around 8 AM, either a doe or a nice buck. Giving me a good broad side shot. That I make a good shot and that I track and find the deer with no problems. I know that prayer was pretty specific but I figured, why not. It’s amazing how accurately prayers can be answered. I saw movement just before 8 AM. I was able to see a good size set of antlers. Boy did my heart really start pounding hard. He took his time coming in. It took him about fifteen minutes to cover the distance into a comfortable shooting range. Roughly twenty minutes after I first saw him he turned and gave me a perfect broad side presentation at about eight yards away. I drew my bow and released in a nice, smooth motion. As he was running away I could see the arrow sticking out of his shoulder, smacking everything that he ran by. He turned and made his way up the hill and stopped straight up from me. The buck stayed there for several seconds before he slowly walked off. That’s when the shakes hit me. Wow, what an adrenaline rush. After giving him and myself a little bit of time, I went out and checked the spot where I hit him. I immediately found blood. I made my way up the hill and found where he had stopped. I decided to back out and give him some time. An hour and a half later, with some help by a buddy of mine, we found my deer, a beautiful nine point buck. What an awesome day. Fast forward to the 23rd of this month and I hadn’t seen a deer in the woods since my buck kill. I heard enough noise to know that it couldn’t be a squirrel. Sure enough a very young doe came bounding out into the clearing. She was followed by two mature does that were as cautious as they could be. It reminded me of a child without a care in the world being followed and watched by her wise mother and aunt. I couldn’t help but laugh. It’s been a pretty good season so far.

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    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Yesterday morning I got up early to hunt and decided to stay close to home. I have a few stands within a few minutes walk in a neighboring property. I have yet to make success with a bow here, but have taken some deer with a rifle. It’s not usual to see more than a deer or two at best here, so while it’s convenient to hunt during school hours or when I only have a short spell for the woods, I tend not to get my hopes up and be content with my squirrel and crows cronies.

      On Saturday I was on the stand and settled at 7:10 a.m. Within twenty minutes a nice stout buck strolled into view about 50 yards or so to my right. In the binos he looked like a 4-5 point, with a nicely structured rack. If I could find the third point hiding on his right side, he’d make a fine legal buck. Too, far, too far and off he walked. A little bit later I caught movement over my left shoulder and saw a doe racing about 35 yards past me to the rear and then a good sized 8 pointer, head down, hot on her trail. A short time later I saw a doe approaching in the area of the first buck. Then two fawn and then a second doe. The first doe had her radar locked in on me, watching and sniffing and moving back and forth. She was cautious, but uncertain. Soon, the second buck, the 8ish pointer shows up to sniff around. I tried gently grunting and can-bleating, which made their ears perk up with didn’t get them much closer. When these five moved off, I used the can to bring the doe back in to take another look. Not close enough. What an outstanding few hours that was. And the squirrels and crows were there, too. best, dwc

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      Jay, thanks for sharing that story. This buck anchored your faith for you. Best to you, dwc

    • grumpygrumpy
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      Jealous. Spent the whole day out in the woods. The morning at a WMA (listening to the bird hunters) and the afternoon at farmer Jim’s and only saw two does too far away, don’t have a doe tag anyway. Did see a horde of chickadees, the usual squirrels, and a little red squirrel that wanted to be my friend.

      On the other hand….

      I was sitting near the deer entrance to a hay field (know they use it because I have trail cam pics), and found a new (had to be while I was at the WME) scrape. Seems kinda dirty deal, them making a scrape at Farmer Jim’s, while I am at the WMA. Trail cam pics showed the buck in the evening, but when I am there he shows up in the morning, after all the stuff I have read about “patterning” deer. Guess they didn’t read the same stuff, or too dumb to keep with the pattern, Or he is thinking with his hormones. What do you think? Perhaps a vote on that.

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Grumpy, i bet he reads your posts on this forum and having a blast with you.

    • Stephen Graf
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      I have found that the less dense the deer herd, the less predictable are the patterns.

      In general, scrapes are made and visited mostly at night. While they look like a great opportunity, generally they present a low probability option.

      If I find a rub line that’s well worked, that’s what I like to hang around. Bucks rub their antlers all the time. So if you find 10 or 15 rubs in a line, you know he’s coming through regularly.

      I’ve even heard it claimed that you can make a fake rub and the bucks will come to it. Supposedly they smell the fresh wood and think somebody else is working their woods. I’ve never tried that one.

      I have found that the best way to find a deer in your “spot” is to arrive there late and in a hurry. Surely you will see his parting wave as you arrive 😳 πŸ™„ πŸ˜†

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      [quote=Steve Graf]I have found that the less dense the deer herd, the less predictable are the patterns.

      Steve, that’s interesting. As the local herd was thinned out, I’ve see less distinct trails. That’s make sense on the surface, less deer on a trail the less wear it gets. The other side of that is that they are not walking the same lines either. Interesting. dwc

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      Kinda not hunting but I just can’t seem to get into hunting right now.

      My heart is broken….

      I had to have my 14 yr old girl buddy put to sleep today and I don’t think I can take another life for awhile.

      Damn cancer……………

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      Sending a hug from “mom”. I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ve been through that pain several times. Dogs just don’t live long enough.

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      Ralph, nothing could be sadder. I wish you and your family peace and a 21 arrow salute to Buddy. Best wishes, d

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      πŸ™ πŸ™

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      Thanks guys.

      Be well and blessed.

      Ralph & Shirley. Diamond is well now… at the Rainbow Bridge

      Ready to start hunting again. Cooler weather with maybe some moisture heading to us.

      Shirley and I went to the lease today, without Diamond :cry:, and we did fine. I checked my cameras and still just does and small bucks. Turkeys too. Maybe this cool down coming will get the bigger deer to moving about.

      Quail, man we got tons this year. It was good that we left them alone during the drought. They’ve recovered nicely.

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      So sorry, Ralph, hoping he didn’t suffer a lot.

      He is in a better place…

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      Thanks Pete…………..Sent you PM

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      Sorry to hear that Ralph. My friend just put down one of his best waterfowl dogs. It was pretty tough on him too.

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      I’m headed up to VA for a week of black powder hunting in the mountains of the George Washington National Forest with my old boyhood chums. No computer service.

      Keep things running smoothly whilst I’m away πŸ˜€

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      Steve, have a great trip. Hope you make some smoke! Dc

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      Sunday and there is no hunting here in Mass. And perhaps a good thing.

      Spent all day yesterday in the woods AM on a WMA, and the afternoon on the farms. Got to see a doe parade in the afternoon. Someone (I think DWC) suggested they are reading my posts. I’m wanting to know who is sharing my posts with the deer?

      The challenge right now is to stay awake thru church. Luckily we sit in the front pew, so if no one notices my head nodding, and the girls keep quiet….

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      I think the deer are logged into this forum. I’m not sure what the handle is, but maybe Webmom can figure out who payed with acorns.

      Friday night I went back to the stand where I got the doe. I waited til dark and just as it was getting to dark to read the tree bark, I heard deer beating a path up the hill toward me. This summer I had saved up enough to buy hearing aids, which now allows me to hear the higher pitches like bird songs and my daughters voice easier. When you put them on the volume is automatically turned up until you turn it down manually. I’m not used to hearing a certain range and when the deer came stomping through the dry leaves, it scared the crap out of me. It sounded like a million grackles flying into the trees above me. When I figured out it was deer they were right below me. One was directly beneath my stand. They milled about within a few feet of me and then sauntered off. It’s been a good year for seeing deer. I’d love to get another in the freezer, but I won’t complain. best, dwc

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      Thanks for letting us know about the amplifiers. I saw some for just $20 at Walmart. NOT THAT I HAVE A HEARING PROBLEM. Would have bought them but I figured that if they worked the girls would make me wear them at home, and if they didn’t work I would be out the $20. Are these the ones you saved up for? Or did you get something that actually works?

      BTW: There is no writing on the tree bark. Get a eye exam.

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      grumpy wrote:

      I’m wanting to know who is sharing my posts with the deer?

      Certainly not I Grumpy…I’ve even broken off communications and relations with Rudolph πŸ™„

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      Grumpy, i saved up for good ones. I turn them way down next time so I don’t get scared again. Too many gunshots, lawnmowers and rock n roll. Insurance pays for the test to tell you they’re needed but ya gotta fork it over big time outta pocket for them. Glad

      I have them though. Dwc

      PS. I use the tree bark as an indicator for when it’s light enough to be hunting. If I only see shapes, I call it a night. If I can see bark detail, I keep my eye peeled in those last minutes.

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      I have a good friend that has hearing aids. He’s really good at selective hearing. Blames it on the batteries though. :D:D

      His wife really knows better πŸ™„

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      I had to get hearing aids last year. I can now hear birds and critters walking in the leaves and coyotes singing at dusk. Only down side outdoors is the wind interference and I worry about losing one or both of them. I got a mid grade set in terms of cost that can be controlled with an app on my phone. There is an outdoor setting and they are fully adjustable for direction for 360 degrees.

      Without them, I really miss a lot of sounds.

      PS – Grumpy, I know how the deer know what you posted here. They are psychic mind readers here in my woods.

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      I certainly wouldn’t tell anyone with hearing loss that they couldn’t have hearing aids. And I think on this forum most everybody already has a high ethical standard. However, hearing aids as a hunting tool for young folks with no ear issues really drives me nuts. A guy I know who was hunting for his first time this year was using all the gadgets and new camo. Luckily, he was hunting some private land and the owner of the property killed a deer while wearing blue jeans and a flannel. That got him thinking he might not need all this stuff he bought.

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      Good point PT. Think I started a thread last year when I started to get into the gadgets thing. Kinda like fly fishing, there are some guys out there with really crappy rods, and just 2 flys (the light ones, and the dark ones), and they catch fish all of the time.

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      As an after thought…..

      I asked my Dr about my hearing, she said “Hearings fine, you just don’t pay attention.” Its that ADD thing again.

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      My deer drags. Easy to make. To use, turn your butt to the deer’s head pull the handles up to your waist area and pull. These keep the deer’s head off the ground, far enough behind you it’s not bouncing off your calves. You can get the hell loose from it also if on a side hill, or going downhill and things go south.

      I have a style that has a harness that goes over your shoulder. I took a Nantucket sleigh ride down a snowy slope strapped in that thing….ONCE…. πŸ™

      As you can see from the picture, you can drag for a looooonnng time too.

      These are are also handy around the house for dragging off cut branches and such when trimming trees.

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      As an afterthought also, if you’re near where I’m dragging a deer in this canyon land full of mesquite, prickly pear, grass burrs and whatever, you’d probably be wise to turn the volume down on your hearing aids. I have a tendency to say what I think…

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      R2, I saw the photo of the deer drag before I read your words and I figured it was going to be something about hearing aids for deer. Ha!

      When I had my hearing aids turned up the other evening it was more of a distraction that a help. Usually when I think I hear a deer coming it’s a squirrel coming to say hello. The other day it was a pileated woodpecker. I’ll keep them turned down to my normal level from here on out. It’s easier on my nerves. dwc

    • grumpygrumpy
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      Taking a vacation week to hunt (last vacation was to change diapers in Salt Lake) Hunting the whole week, if I can… Hunted the whole day Sat and Mon, slept a full 12 hours last night, and only sore in about half of the major muscle groups. They say you can’t still hunt too slow, but I may have done that. At this age slow is easy.

      Amazed at at the squirrels that want to be friends, The down side is that every time one approaches I’m thinking DEER DEER DEER

      Great Horned owl has been stopping by too, saw him Sat, and again yesterday, both times within 10 feet. Is thios a omen, or is he spying….

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      PS, have trail cams on two scrapes, just to see if, and when they come back to check them. I’m thinking they don’t remember where they are.

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      Grumpy, It just isn’t respectable for an owl to laugh, so he tells the deer all about you and they laugh…

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      GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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      While we’re talking hunting places I got a big GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

      I was hunting early this morning and I saw game but no shooting.

      I decided to go scouting and snooping and checking out some of my old mule deer haunts during the midday whilst the north wind a howling. Mule deer opens in 10 days or so…

      This area I will show in a bit used to be green grass, mesquite trees, normal Texas Panhandle fauna. I’ve shot mule deer up here, coyotes and many quail. Me, my wife, grandsons used to come here and play, stump shoot, just get away.

      Then about 10 years ago some hon-yuck convinced several ranchers in the area that the mesquite trees were drinking all the water out of the ground. Spray and kill mesquite, greener pasture forever. Poison will only kill mesquite.

      Seems it killed everything except the tumbleweeds. The road that is blocked I used to travel all the time, not today.

      It’s sad when we decide to mess with Mother Nature…. This plateau looks like after Armageddon now..

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      Sad Commentary. With all that sun and sky it must have been nice to have a few trees.

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      Good thing I’m not retired, I couldn’t do this every week. Almost called work to see if I could go in for a day of rest.

      The day started out with really good news. No, not the election. The traffic report said there were two accidents involving deer. That means they are too pumped up with hormones to cross the street.

      Before I even got into the woods there were 4 young bobcats looking at me with “Where is the gut pile?” written all over their face. No they weren’t house cats, They don’t hang together and they have tails.

      When I did get into the woods there was a buck chasing a doe all over the place. No chance for a shot, they disappeared over the horizon. I’m sure they have big grins now.

      Walking thru the oak stands the leaves were all dug up by the deer looking for acorns. I went to a stand I discovered on Monday. A tree blew over, lifting up the roots, and making a hole in the ground. That was decades ago. The tree is gone but a mound of dirt, and the hole remain. A few feet away is a stone wall (this is New England, stone walls everywhere) I found I could sit in the hole and only my pointy little head was showing. I put a rag with doe estrus out Monday. I’m looking at the swamp over a cart path. This is the swamp that I scouted last August (when it was dry) and found it to be loaded with beds and tracks. I’m looking south at the swamp over the cart path. The air is moving (no wind) toward me, so I doubt any of the doe scent got to the swamp. I waited for things to calm down. Then I got out the doe Estrus Blat (the can). Two blats, and I heard sticks breaking, and banging in the swamp. Squirrels and birds don’t make those noises. A buck… A BIG buck STRUTTED out of the swamp. He didn’t prance or walk, he STRUTTED. How big? Well we have lots of cam pics of 6 point bucks, and this rack was a lot bigger. Too far away to count points, but the rack was wayyyyy bigger, and the buck just had so much more BULK. Did he come running over to find the doe that just bleated? NO!!! he strutted around a bit then turned, stuck his tail in the air (like a middle finger) and strutted back into the swamp. I sat there for a couple hours bleating, then headed back to the car. On the way I heard (but did not see) another chase going on.

      I picked Arwen up, took her to a Dr. appt then went to the WMA and flushed 3 does…..

      Right now I’m washing camo, and thinking I picked the right week for vacation. I may not survive, but it is a great week.

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      Good luck. Seeing animals on the move is a great big plus. Now to get within in range. Hope you do.

      I know this old feller ain’t going back tomorrow where he was yesterday.

      I’ll be going back to where I saw life instead of all that dead that was surrounding me.

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      Great story Grumpy !! The action is just starting here as well . Unseasonably warm weather.

      Bruce

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      Grumpy, you are an great story teller! I always look forward to your posts. Hang in there. Hope you get one! best, dwc

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      My season has been great so far. My first hunt was a week in the mountains of Va. with my brothers. Black bear topped the list, but deer and turkey seasons were open as well. We harass the same large area of public land every year. I saw ten bear that week but didn’t manage to fill my tag. I passed on several deer and two turkeys (at 15 yards) in order to stay focused on the bears. After a long week of hiking with weapons, I decided to take a shot at a young buck with only a few hours remaining in the hunt. On the last afternoon I had hiked back about four miles to a long flat ridge loaded with acorns and cherries. As I slipped through the timber I saw the deer feeding in my direction. He’d lower his head and I’d move. He’d raise up and move towards me. After about twenty minutes or so of inching toward each other; I drew from behind a tree, stepped to my left, and took the buck at a step or two over ten yards.

      Two weeks later I found myself β€œinspecting” a two-man ladder stand in the deer woods at home. I set the stand to hunt with my children. My son took his second deer from that stand last fall, and my daughter has her mind set on her first deer this season. As I sat in the first light of day, I heard the faint sound of a familiar cadence. As I turned and got my bow up, I saw a big buck walking through the oaks. The buck passed behind me at about twenty-five yards but never offered a shot. I have high hopes, because it’s the largest buck I’ve seen in years…..but it is bow hunting.

      This past Tuesday, one brother text me β€œI just saw the bear”. He has a camera out and has pictures of a very large boar during the day. While it is getting to be more common in this area, seeing bear is still a bit of a new treat for us. An hour later, another brother text me a picture of his sons first bow harvest from that same evening.

      With another trip to the mountains for bear planned and almost two more months of deer season remaining…..I can’t wait to see what the Father has to show me next.

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      WOW!!! great story, I only saw one bear during the season, and that was only for about 3 nanoseconds. Bears can run real fast. Good luck to your kids.

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      Paully, great story and a beautiful photo. Thanks for your post! Dwc

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      That’s cool…..Beautiful country you’re in.

      As a person from the plains country, how y’all figure out where you’re going with out a large body of water to look across? :lol::lol:

      Perhaps more importantly sometimes, where you came from.

      Just kidding….my country has a tendency to not have any landmarks to use for aim points.

      Good we have north stars and such eh?:)

      And gravity so most of us know up from down……:roll:

      Now good from bad………don’t watch my form……….

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      All I’ve seen since Tuesday is tails.

      What am I doing wrong?

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      Grumpy, At least you’re not on the couch! You’ll get them turned around, dwc

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      I feel for ya Grumpy. All I’m seeing is cows, coming, going, where they been (if they’d quit pooping so much they wouldn’t have to eat so much or maybe vice versa).

      They took out the longhorns , then put them back with about 150 head of Angus. Messed up my business……. One thing about it, scent control is no problem….everything smells like cow sh**

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      grumpy wrote: All I’ve seen since Tuesday is tails.

      What am I doing wrong?

      Have you tried rattling? The rut should be kicking into full swing out there.

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      I tried rattling and grunting with no success. I think I could use some lessons on that. The sun went down on the early season yesterday. This morning a nice doe came through the backyard with a big eight point close behind. A beautiful sight. Rifle season comes in the Monday after thanksgiving. I expect to be back out with bow in hand, although I might pick up the flintlock a time or two. Good luck to all of you! Dwc

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      “Have you tried rattling? The rut should be kicking into full swing out there.”

      YUP!!! Been rattling like no tomorrow, but have given it up. I’m thinking we have too many does. If you already have one why fight. The one cool day, Tuesday, I saw six deer, two bucks a six point, and the BIG’UN. Since then I have seen nothing. I’m using doe-in-estrus pee, and a doe blat. No response, except for the insult from the BOG’UN.

      Never know what you did wrong here. In college, and work they at least tell you what you did wrong (like the exit interview). Did I use the wrong deodorant, Did he see my baby blues peeking out of the bunker? Did I fart (spent the whole day with my cheeks squeezed together), or burp? I know there are deer around (three new tree stands, there must be). Since it is Sunday, I spent the day raking leaves 😑 in shirt sleeves, 50 deg.

      Four years ago we had the Halloween blizzard, over 30″ of Snow, AND IT DIDN’T MELT. Deer are out there in winter coats. Not doing much till it gets below freezing.

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      Grumpy I’ve observed the whitetails around the panhandle for a long time.

      I’ve noticed before the rut I’ll see does a lot, herded up with their fawns still hanging around and usually I see lots of young bucks. Occasionally I’ll see a mature buck cruising.

      Then suddenly I start seeing very little. Maybe a doe with a buck on her tail, maybe a little buck with an ‘I lost my best buddy’ look about him.

      My theory about the does, if the young’uns haven’t been kicked out yet they (the does) become scarce hiding to protect their fawns from the aggressive buck, especially the little first timers.. Of course they’re (the fawns)are not nursing anymore but they’re still hanging out with momma. I’m familiar with that syndrome…

      I observed a momma last year let this stinking little forky get real close, sniffing on her, then she’d lead him off and her two fawns would just continue to chow down. After 10 min or so momma would come back, her and little ones would disappear. Directly here would come little bucky just sniffing away, look up and “Hey, where’d they go”.. Sneaky old gal she was…

      The does that are hot, they and the lucky bucks are holed up doing their thing.

      After a week or 10 days the fawns are on their own, the does are hanging out again and the bucks????They’re roaming some. Basically there always come a lull for awhile where nothing seems to be moving.

      Just my thinking and observation… I spend hours just looking and watching sometimes.. Sometimes I doze off and I’m sure that’s when the real stuff happens…:(

    • Ptaylor
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      Dang Grumps, sounds tough. Do you have an antlerless tag?

      Bow and rifle seasons are done here. There is a late muzzleloader hunt going on right now, but very few tags allowed for that. For the most part only bear hunters out right now. We went out for a 3 day backpack trout trip. On the drive out and back we saw 9 roadkilled deer and a 4×4 courting a doe ON the road! The rut is kicking in here. Here’s a nice brook trout I caught.

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      Nice Fish!

      I can second what R2 has observed. Every part of the country is different, but there are some general trends and Ralph got ’em right.

      In my experience (in the south) there is a window of about 1 hour a year that a buck will respond to rattling or grunting. In other parts of the country it may be a bit longer, don’t know.

      Grumpy, some may disagree with me, but I believe you are suffering from the tail end of gadgetitis. The gadget folks make us believe we can’t hunt without an assortment of calls and rattles. Don’t worry, you will get over it.

      If you can make a bleat sound with your mouth, you are good to go. When a buck (or doe) walks by and you want it to stop, just make an eeeeeehh sound. I’ve blindly called in exactly 1 buck in my life after 10 years of religious calling (get the joke?). I’ve shot who knows how many stopping them with a bleat.

      Once the rut starts, the bucks don’t tend scrapes. Look for new rubs. Look for lines in the woods like fences or changes in tree populations (edge of pine thicket for example). Deer are creatures of the edge. No matter what else is going on, they walk the edges.

      And, gulp, tree stands and blinds are way more effective than still hunting if you want to kill a white tail deer.

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      Nice fish, Brookies are from New England. Do youse guys consider tham an invasive species?

      “Dang Grumps, sounds tough. Do you have an antlerless tag?”

      Most of the anterless permits are for east part of the state.

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      grumpy wrote: Nice fish, Brookies are from New England. Do youse guys consider tham an invasive species?

      That’s a messy question. Yes they are invasive, as are the brown trout. In some high elevation lakes in the Sierras, biologists are working at removing all the fish because there never were any and the native frogs/salamanders are being eaten. CDFW still stocks some lakes with non-native fish each year. But they also are working on restoring and conserving Heritage trout streams, where the native rainbow is home. It is ironic that we have transplanted rainbows all over the world, they are native to these waters, and then we introduced brooks and browns in the water here:roll: I’ll happily eat the invasive trout and release small and big rainbows (while eating a couple medium sized ones, or fish I hooked badly).

      Steve, you obviously have more experience hunting white-tailed deer than me. I’ve hunted them all of 12 days on one hunt. But we rattled in a buck, and I sat over a scrape that a buck came to! Maybe those were my once in a lifetime opportunities πŸ˜† Mostly I sat on trails, trails that were in transistion areas, like a meadow into a swamp, or a forest into a swamp. They seemed to have a lot of action. However, the place I hunted had some topography features aiding me, like a bay and inlet and peninsula, a really thick swamp they felt secure in, and a couple houses they were trying to avoid.

      Good luck Grumps, and just have fun. I wish I was still hunting right now.

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      I thought I’d try my new R2 turkey call today.. Ha it worked.

      Don’t know if this will. forgot how to put you tube on here.

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      Ptaylor wrote: … Steve, you obviously have more experience hunting white-tailed deer than me. I’ve hunted them all of 12 days on one hunt. But we rattled in a buck, and I sat over a scrape that a buck came to!…

      I guess that’s what makes the wiley buck so fun to hunt πŸ˜€ All I can say is in my experience, hunting scrapes and using calls are low probability methods. But there have been articles in TBM written by guys that call in 4 or 5 deer with rattling every year. Go figure? Could be just my bad luck. There have been people that won the lottery twice in two weeks. Not me.

      The fellow that shot the biggest buck in our group this year in VA stepped out of the truck at the end of the logging road on the first morning, took 1 step in the woods and shot a nice 8 pointer. I spent the week in the woods and saw nothing but does.

      For the sake of argument though… lets say rattling and grunting are very successful ways of getting bucks to come. When they do come, I think we can agree that they are on high alert. This is ok for a gun hunter, or someone in a tree stand. But if you are hunting with a trad bow from the ground, you gonna get busted 😳 πŸ˜€

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      Steve say:

      For the sake of argument though… lets say rattling and grunting are very successful ways of getting bucks to come. When they do come, I think we can agree that they are on high alert. This is ok for a gun hunter, or someone in a tree stand. But if you are hunting with a trad bow from the ground, you gonna get busted

      Yup, my experience. Same with calling coyotes by myself. I might get them coming into bow range but the minute my mind starts the drawing sequence, they turn inside out and haul butt. It is simply amazing how fast a coyote can swap ends and be gone.

      I can sometimes get shots if I have someone off to the side somewhere doing the calling. That system seems to pretty much be the norm for bowhunters when hunting elk also, a caller and a shooter.

      Perhaps when trad hunting deer? Have a caller set up to keep the attention focused somewhere else?

      The hole in that though is that most of us hunt by ourselves it seems. I do and I’ve tried rattling deer, grunting deer, calling turkeys, calling coyotes and have had critters come to me but:evil:they, I swear can read my mind and react before I can move a muscle.

      It’s fun educating them though.:D

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      R2 wrote: Steve say:

      For the sake of argument though… lets say rattling and grunting are very successful ways of getting bucks to come. When they do come, I think we can agree that they are on high alert. This is ok for a gun hunter, or someone in a tree stand. But if you are hunting with a trad bow from the ground, you gonna get busted

      That’s a fair assessment. But I am going to try and prove you wrong…

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      Why not keep trying. What does one have to lose? Only to gain knowledge and a busted ego.:wink:

      Makes for good campfire fodder. And success? Ahhh, to the top of the totem pole. πŸ˜€

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      Ptaylor wrote: … That’s a fair assessment. But I am going to try and prove you wrong…

      It’s not hard to do…. My wife does it several times a day 😳 πŸ™„ πŸ˜†

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      I’m with PT here.

      I’ve often said “Better to hook a fish and loose him than never hook him at all.” Especially when I use leaders that are a bit too fine, and fish places that are loaded with snags. If the leader wasn’t that fine, I would never hook the fish, and you have to fish the 10% of the water that holds the fish.

      I “know” that deer are out there in the brush watching, and when they see, hear, or smell me, they simply fade away (snickering), and I never see them. Or they circle around and smell me. One of the things that amazed me was that when I did see the BIG ‘UN it was only for a brief moment. If I hadn’t heard his antlers hitting branches I would have missed it. When I was snorted, I had been motionless for an hour, if I had moved at all the deer would not have gotten that close. I didn’t see him because I didn’t look over my shoulder, if I had moved my head I would have spooked him.

      The farms I hunt have a swamp to the West (prevailing winds are out of the west), where they bed during the day. I am using a doe blat to try to draw them out of the swamp. I am also using doe estrus pee, but since the wind is usually coming out of the swamp I doubt it helps. Doesn’t cost much for a few drops, and may cover my scent. Gave up on rattling, too many does to want to fight. Just seeing the BIG ‘UN shows that I am on the right track. Just have to find a lonely buck that is dumber, or thinking with his hormones. I am sure there is a buck out there that is as dumb and lonely as I was at 17.

      I’m going to try using a piece of camo fabric in front of me, so I am less exposed.

      Subject change.

      They have reopened the sand pit on the South/West corner of the WMA I hunt, and the deer have left the WMA. Went North, and East, where it is posted.

      I don’t work Wednesday, so I’ll be going out this afternoon (after I have a conference with a Math teacher about Arwen’s missing homework – we don’t have a dog). Wish me luck, because after you cover the basics, the rest is being in the right place at the right time. Thus, the more time you are out there the better the odds.

    • Ptaylor
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      Steve Graf wrote: It’s not hard to do…. My wife does it several times a day 😳 πŸ™„ πŸ˜†

      What’s even harder is admitting that I’m wrong, even after she’s proved it to me!! haha.

    • RalphRalph
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      Yeah and I gotta pick my ego up off the floor every now and again..

    • RalphRalph
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      Back to hunting, or rather hunting not.

      I’m all rested up after a day of not getting up early, early. Stomping at the bit to go hunt in the morning but sometimes digression is the better part of valor.

      50-60 mph winds forecast in this tinder dry country. Extreme fire danger. We’ve already had one small fire at the lease a couple of days ago with light winds. Too much wind tomorrow for me to risk it. I skeered of wildfires. πŸ™

    • William WarrenWilliam Warren
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      Speaking of rattling and grunting, I have had some success with it but I don’t see myself as an expert on it. I can only tell you what worked and what did not work. Grunting casually and often has not worked for me. Turning a deer I have seen with grunting or rattling has worked, but not always. Rattling has not worked well in windy conditions or before the rut or after the main rut, at least not for me. Picking a still, frosty morning around the peak of the rut has worked twice for me so now those are the only conditions I’m likely to spend any time rattling. You need to know you are in an area with alot of deer activity for it to work. The 2 bucks I rattled in and killed appeared to be coming from a good distance to my random calling. Once I could see them I toned down the rattling to light clicks and tickles to see their reaction and to make them think the fight was still a little farther out. It worked and they closed in and stopped in front of me. One was 20 yards and the other was less than 15 yards. One was from a treestand and the close one was from the ground. It helps to be set up near a trail. My bucks walked the path of least resistance. When I rattle I throw in a few grunts too. You can get them coming with rattling and then grunt to egg them on if they stop way out there. I rattle in sequences of about 5-8 minutes about every thirty minutes until I either see deer moving or give up. I try not to do too much. Once you see deer responding you should stop and put the calls down get your weapon ready, this is where luck comes in. Can recall many days having to head in to work when I knew I should be set up somewhere rattling.

    • Charles EkCharles Ek
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      The big brother version of rattling worked on a bigger cervid this fall … to a point.

      My partner called in a moose for me with a moose scapula which I found years ago and held onto, waiting for a tag that came this year. When he scraped a bush with it a few dozen yards behind me, I nearly jumped up, it sounded so realistic. Less than thirty minutes later, the real thing showed up but winded us when it was about 60-70 yards from me.

      Our deer and turkey seasons end tomorrow. I got out one last time yesterday. (My head is down to look at the deer track, not because I’m dejected!) Thought you Texans should get a chance to see it’s not all sunshine and open range. πŸ™‚

    • Robin ConradsRobin Conrads
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      dwcphoto wrote:

      Two more weeks of archery opens tomorrow. Should be good for a few hours before the rain moves in. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a safe and successful late season! Peace, dwc

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