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    • jpcjpc
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      I ‘m 67 years old

      I started hunting very young and for my 13th birthday I received a double gun 16 gauge caliber

      Other times other manners

      I meet bow hunting 26 years ago

      I started in France, in Europe and in Canada my first bears from tree stands and others from stalking on the ground ( two from ground )

      What can I say interesting bow hunters : all arrows manufactories propose camo or black shafts

      I never imagine an animal can see my arrow especially in front of the arrow being

      I think that manufactories proposes only arrows of a color that blends with nature, knowing that hunter and 3D archers shoots 100 to 3000 arrows / year sometime more

      So, what could be easier than losing an arrow in 3D especially if it is black or camo

      I use to paint the back 10 inches of my shafts fluo orange and I never saw any game frightened by the color of my tubes

      On an other hand I always find 99 % of my arrows that missed a 3D ( or a game )

      Everyone to understand ….

      And my experience convinced me to gave up the camo clothing, animals see mostly movement and are alerted by smells

      Any dark or blue garment odorless is better than the best camo if not completely odorless

      Camo market is a gold mine and they are those who believe that dig

      (I even saw a camo container to piss in when on tree stand ) :oops::oops::oops:

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      My first year deer hunting i was wearing the required blaze orange vest. I had a doe walk up within three feet of me and stand there stomping til i finally had to breath. Pretty much everything you said here is right on in my book. Someone o. The site said it best one time. Being still is rhe best camo. Dwc

    • RalphRalph
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      First of all I can’t see why anyone is a fool to wear camo if they so choose to do so.

      If it makes you feel like you’re doing a better job of hunting what’s foolish about that.

      The ancients disguised themselves from the game they sought as well from the enemies among them by trying to appear as nature, hiding the human form.

      As far as blue goes, I found this article quite interesting

      http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/big-buck-zone/2014/07/video-new-study-sheds-light-what-deer-see

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    • paleoman
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      Camo is fine, just not necessary. The old light or heavy weight wool (depending on the season) jackets and shirts do the work just as well. I like the Adirondack black and green style for late Oct/Nov. and just plain old green wool pants with cargo pockets. You can layer up as the weather gets colder. I do like the Woodland camo pattern, if you can find it. That’s what everyone wore back in the day, and damnit, that’s traditional to me:D Not sure though if wool would work for ya’ll down in the old Condferacy? Might be a bit warm.

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      R2, good article. Science is good. As an add on to what I posted earlier, most of my hunting cloths are camo, since that what colors they come in. I wear the Gallatin Range wool by Columbia. Good stuff and warm. Comes in camo. I love my wool plaid and wear that if the weather is right. That might be the original camo of the modern world. best, dwc

    • RalphRalph
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      paleoman wrote: The old Not sure though if wool would work for ya’ll down in the old Condferacy? Might be a bit warm.

      Scott I’ve known times at Twenty Nine Palms, CA. in the middle of July, in the middle of the night, that I wished the Corp had issued me a couple more of those itchy wool blankets. 😀

      It gets plenty cold here in the TX panhandle, not too far below zero too often but add our incessant fall and winter winds, wool can feel mighty good no matter what color.

      Y’all:D, have different issues than we. Got trees??

      Hard to hide behind what you ain’t got so looking as much like a lizard as you can helps.

      I got the wrinkles part down pat.

      I do good wearing brown and gray tones of plaid around here with a sagebrush colored camo vest and all is good.

      Pulls the wool over their eyes sometimes. 🙄

    • grumpygrumpy
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      Main thing is to break up your outline. In other words don’t look like a biped. After all we are the only bipeds in the woods, so if you look like a biped it is a dead giveaway. Thus, I don’t like the camo with a small print pattern, blends together at distance. Wear the camo they came out with in WWII, and ‘Nam.

      Colors: Other critters have the blue thing too. For a year or two blue was all the rave for bass plugs, now you never hear of it.

      As for white: What tree species is easiest to pick out in the woods?

      Most important is to sit still. I was thinking about that in church this morning. While growing up I got a poke in the ribs every time I moved. Since Mom is now in the nursing home, I can twitch and wiggle all I want. Sitting still at a deer stand is no easier than in church.

      When I was a pre-teen I trucked around in the woods with Kenny Waters (Mom didn’t like that so well as he was 5 yeas older than me, and a high school dropout) he was good at stepping back into the bushes and standing still then suddenly saying “BOO” 2 feet away from you. Worked every time, and we didn’t know what camo was.

      Somebody help me!! Like Janice said “It don’t come with age.”

      I’m more confident wearing camo and I think that is important. The people that catch the most fish are those that EXPECT to catch fish. Same with a lot of other things.

      After going out stumping today in 90/90 weather, I also have to say jeans are too hot.

    • paleoman
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      R2 wrote: [quote=paleoman] The old Not sure though if wool would work for ya’ll down in the old Condferacy? Might be a bit warm.

      Scott I’ve known times at Twenty Nine Palms, CA. in the middle of July, in the middle of the night, that I wished the Corp had issued me a couple more of those itchy wool blankets. 😀

      It gets plenty cold here in the TX panhandle, not too far below zero too often but add our incessant fall and winter winds, wool can feel mighty good no matter what color.

      Y’all:D, have different issues than we. Got trees??

      Hard to hide behind what you ain’t got so looking as much like a lizard as you can helps.

      Ralph – you are absolutely correct. I was thinking more of the earlier seasons, like early fall in Alabama or something…seems that’d be warm. But then, I read somewhere that the wool Civil War uniforms were oddly not as bad as you’d think in the heat. Could that be true?

      I got the wrinkles part down pat.

      I do good wearing brown and gray tones of plaid around here with a sagebrush colored camo vest and all is good.

      Pulls the wool over their eyes sometimes. 🙄

    • paleoman
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      Ralph -somehow my reply got in the middle of yours…must not have scrolled down far enough..

    • Charles EkCharles Ek
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      paleoman wrote: Ralph – you are absolutely correct. I was thinking more of the earlier seasons, like early fall in Alabama or something…seems that’d be warm. But then, I read somewhere that the wool Civil War uniforms were oddly not as bad as you’d think in the heat. Could that be true?

      My late father-in-law wore woolen longjohns to work as a railroad carman year-round in MN, which approaches the South for heat and humidity in the middle of summer. Wool in its various versions is the most comfortable clothing to wear most of the time, in my experience.

    • jpcjpc
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      I started this post about the camo and the subject deviates to wool clothing

      why not

      I have two FILSON sets for years that are very nice ( and expensive) one blue dark one brown

      They are very comfortable but not if have to walk They make me sweat are very heavy and very very heavy if rain. I use them when in a stand very close my home

      With new materials it’s easy to have such hot clothing as waterproof even more and much lighter

      If I have to walk it’s my choice with a scent look below

      The mountaineers abandoned wool long time ago except for socks It is not without reason

      Of course Fred Asbell ( and his wife) are unconditional wool they present as traditional clothing

      (This is also why I bought from Filson)

      On an other hand I can wash my modern suits easy rinse with baking soda as often as necessary And dry it quickly

      Here in the south of France temperatures are never very low 7 to 8° F. are maximum but here the climate is so wet that the slightest cold is very hard to bear

      If wear wool to be traditional must also hunt with a bow without fiberglass, carbon-free , without fast flite …. wooden shafts and self made knife …….

      All this without the slightest idea of changing something or think that I am right, Just the pleasure of exchanging point of views and our own experiences with an ocean between us :?::D:?:

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Jpc, I wear mostly wool in the woods as that was the investment I made and it lasts and lasts. The modern fibers all seem to come in scent block and for personal reasons I want to avoid that. That stuff can get pretty pricey too. I bought my favorite wool plaid shirt on an auction for $12 and with a half hour of basics sewing I’m on my fourth year with it. I’m not clear about the comment about G. Fred and Filson, but I suppose that’s a translation issue and personal choice also. When I get around to buying new gear I’ll at least investigate the cloths Fred and his wife make. He’s done a lot for archery and for me through his books. I’d like to support him if the fit is right. Thank you! Dwc

    • StixStix
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      I would stay away from the blues. A wildlife biologist told me that while animals see mostly black/white and shades of grays, the blue tint is easy for them to pick up, in movement and stillness. Not sure of the reason, but something regarding light sensitivity and the way it reflects light.

    • jpcjpc
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      I did not know for blue color when I bought Filson jacket and pants

      I will still keep considering the price and that blue is almost black

      Already said have others in brown but wool jacket and pants are too heavy to be pleasant to wear

      However I am unconditional wool underwear and shirts

      With above a modern technical jacket 100% waterproof and warm much more the best wool

      My pants and wool jacket weight 3,5 kilo ( 7,72 Lbs ):oops:

    • wojo14
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      I believe COL Mike said that being still is the best camo.

      I agree.

      I like green/brown/autumn color paid wool. Although, I still wear camo on occasion.

      There was a great article in the PA game news paper last week about what deer see. Basically stay away from blue! It reflects UV rays and makes it easy for them to see. And oh ya, and stay still!8)

    • Mark Turton
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      Can’t remember any of the science but some blue dies can glow like a beacon when viewed in the infrared spectrum part of which is visible to animals such as deer.

      Gray is without doubt the most versatile and forgiving colour.

      As for who is the fool, in my book it’s the guy sat behind the latest ultramag with a 50x scope dressed from head to toe in invisiflage putting the cross hairs on some critter at half a mile and says he’s hunting.

      Wear whatever works for you and what you are comfortable in.

      Mark.

    • Doc Nock
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      pothunter wrote: .

      Wear whatever works for you and what you are comfortable in.

      Mark.

      Can’t help myself…

      THAT right there says a mouthful on the whole topic… only fool is that one who feels they are the fool!

    • David CoulterDavid Coulter
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      Good medicine, Doc. best, dwc

    • RalphRalph
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    • Stephen Graf
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      Good one R2! It’s always nice to make someone’s day, especially when it doesn’t cost you anything to do it.

    • Col MikeCol Mike
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      But but–if you “see someone wearing camouflage” Then it ain’t working8)

    • Mark Turton
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      Dogs are a good judge of camouflage I’ve received their seal of approval a couple of times.

      Mike if the art of camouflage is to make something appear to be something else what might you have seen, or not.

      Mark…..or is it, if I were wearing camouflage and changed my name would I still be me,..when does philosophy become gibberish. Can gibberish be the contemplative reasonings of higher reasoning or no more than the ramblings of a fool.

    • Doc Nock
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      Potty,

      Yup. Good points. Camo is to make you be perceived as a non human non threat…

      I’ve not had dogs use me for a tree or fire plug, but had some chipmunks crawl up my leg with one pattern I liked (no longer on the market)

      Most stuff, if you hang a pants and jacket or coveralls on a hanger and hang in broken woods, you are “tricked” it doesn’t look like a man but that is at close range…back up 40 or 50 yards and most patterns today, BLOB into the exact outline of a human form… 😯 Doh!

      When I do wear camo, I tend to wear “mix and match” Top of one type or plaid and bottom of something else.

      I share the original posters confusion/irritation at having to pay more for a camo watch band, or pee bottle or knife handle..

      WT?

      I once saw Camo Gum… But I think it was to camouflage your breath, not look like camo…but who knows…

      Some of it were I to “bite” would make me feel a bit “foolish” but I find good camo, strong negative/positive vertical shapes with open pattern, (few those be) tends to keep deer from turning inside out at 100 yards!

      Any closer or even at that distance, movement will still give you away as many attest… Sight, smell, hearing… them critters are wired to survive!

    • RalphRalph
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      I have to yet convinced my wife that those are really just empty hangers in the closet:roll::roll:

    • Doc Nock
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      Oh, no you just didn’t, Ralph…

      That’s 2/3 of a pun right there…the P and U!:roll::lol:

    • RalphRalph
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      I guess it’s time for the camoing out eh Doc?. 😀

    • Doc Nock
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      Not sure on that one…

      Do you mean it’s time for you camo to “come out of the closet”… that must be SOME pattern you got there, Hoss! 😯

      A new Jenner-ation of camo?

    • RalphRalph
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      Nah, I choose to be what I is, a hunter in disguise from the eyes of his prey. 😉

    • Doc Nock
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      Whew…there’s a load off…guess I’d be ok spending a night in camp with ya then… had me nervous there for a bit with that closet comment.. 😯

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