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    • richard roop
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      Forward of center, I understand.

      Extreme forward of center. Ok ………… if it works for you we’re all happy.

      Was watching a Tom Miranda program last night where he slays another beast with his compound. No problem; compound shooters are just archers who have not yet seen the light.  Miranda’s a pretty well respected guy going all the way back to his early trapping videos.

      What caught my attention, and he didn’t go into a lot of detail, was mention of his 100 grain broadhead and the 100 grains added to the nock end of the arrow. His comment was that other people’s arrows fly like darts, his arrow flies like a missile.

      I know compound shooters tend to set up differently than we do but everything about that just seems wrong.  Is this “The New Thing” or am I missing something ????

    • Robin ConradsRobin Conrads
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      😳🤔 That doesn’t sound right to me. We shoot woodies so can’t really try it. Anyone here able to mess around with a carbon or aluminum arrow to see if this has any merit?

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    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      You got me – never thought about it or tried it, so I don’t have a comment. All my arrows work good the way they are ( efoc ) with excellent penetration. Steve can probably explain the science behind it ( or lack there of).

      Richard make up some 0% arrows and compare them to your current ones, and see if they fly better.

      Scout aka Ray

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      PS rambling thoughts

      I don’t think the missile ( today most people think rocket when you say missile ie powered flight)  analogy works well with arrows. I am not a Rocket Scientist *but missiles usually are under continuous power at least on the first part of their journey, and as they fly the fuel burns and the weight balance changes ?! Their design I am sure compensates for this —- but it would seem to be a different issue than a thrown/ tossed arrow from a bow. If both missile/ arrow/ dart are thrown I would imagine the aerodynamics would remain similar —and are pretty well documented these days —although that never stopped a good argument- haha

      Maybe Steve will give us his thoughts on this issue of 0%—

      Another thought- since a compound has a break over point on weight(power ) it probably has a different acceleration over time to power the arrow?, so maybe 0% would help there ( rocket) — Dang, Richard you are making me think about Compound bows – yuck !! Haha

      * although I shot some AT missiles in my youth – haha

      Scout aka Ray

    • richard roop
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      To be honest ……………. I would be somewhat afraid to shoot one.

      Seems to me that the tendency would be for the shaft to rotate like a boomerang.

    • RalphRalph
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      Hey Scout……………I’m not even gonna give you nightmares by mentioning how can an xbow bolt (arrow substitute), being so short, be anything but 0%.

      Talk about someone on his first step walking the plank…. 🙂

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      R2

      Haha – anything associated with compounds / crossbows gives me the hebbie geeebees —–nightmaresh devices of the devil-‘ aaagh—

      Scout aka Ray

    • richard roop
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      Interesting ……………………..

      Reading  “Straight and True by Hugh D. H. Soar. A Select History of the Arrow.  Of the four styles of shaft profile used back in the day in Merry Ol’ England, being, parallel, barreled, bob-tailed (thicker at the point tapering thinner to the nock)  and lo & behold, ……………. ‘breasted’ (thicker at the nock tapering thinner to the point).  That seems like it would play Hob with the f.o.c.

      I swear, there isn’t much that’s new in archery …………………… just the same old things coming around again in different packaging.

    • Raymond CoffmanRaymond Coffman
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      Richard

      Nothing new under the sun as they say — did the book mention any special purpose or selected use for the different arrow types? Pros and cons from actual historic use?

      Scout aka Ray

    • richard roop
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      The book is a worthwhile read; good information.

      The period referred to was when England was transitioning from archery being military and practice mandated by Royal Edict at NOT LESS than 200 yards to recreational competition with little in the way of distances or targets being standard.  At this time, the Archer’s Paradox was still pretty much a ………… paradox. Arrow points to the left but hits straight ahead. …… ?????  The different shaft profiles had a lot to do with how the shaft was assumed to pass over the riser and come on line with the target.  I suspect that (like now) some of the old time experts may not have totally understood all that they knew.

      Rant to follow, alert;

      Longbow shooters of old regularly shot at 200 plus yards. This moved into the York Round with a 100 yard max. Then the American Round with a 60 yard max. Currently, many shoot no more than the 30 or so yards that we compete our ‘Traditional’ tournaments at.   We are losing the sheer joy of roving with a couple of friends, launching at a stump or some such target over on the next hillside.  NOTE; I am speaking of shooting for the sake of the flight of the arrow …………… NOT shooting at game out past sure kill yardages.

      End of rant. Pile on.

       

    • RalphRalph
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      Yea to your rant!!!! I may be off topic a bit but ……

      Amazing how things such as wood arrows, 5 lbs. heavier than bow weight figured at 28″ with 5# plus or minus depending on longer/shorter draw length….right hand, left wing, left hand, right wing…examples…things that have worked forever now have to be questioned, analyzed, how can that work..

      A lot of people shot bows for a lot of years to make these things to be workable.

      Just sayin…………..

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