Thanks Clay. Well done. I’ve always used judo points or blunts.

I’ve had judos shot into yuccas when stumping that have hung and stopped so quickly they’ve snapped a wood arrow!! Dang.

Thanks for the demo. Next time I order something I’ll order something diff.

They got one named “never lose”? :>))

I found the hammer heads to be weak. The ace heads hold up best.

Better than any of them are 38 casings and a bit of lead to bring the casing up to your desired weight. Talk about cheap. You can buy a lifetime supply of casings for what 6 hammer heads cost (500 casings for $20.00).

I also have found that the arrows are less likely to break with a casing blunt. The blunt deforms and takes up the energy, saving the arrow. Also, no need to taper the front of the arrow.

Best blunts for 11/32 wood arrows is 38 casings, inho.

Steve, will I get more punch if I use .357 mag casings 😕 Just wonderin:roll::roll:

clay off a bike?? Are you out your mind?? Nice video as always. I use judos and gun shells also – tight I guess

The only problem I’ve ever had with bullet casings or regular steel blunts is they tend to skip and deflect easily. When I was in Ontario in 2006 I did a lot of mid-day grouse hunting. Those birds are basically like trying to shoot a regulation size softball covered with feathers.

Using regular steel blunts, if my shot was dead center the arrow would penetrate both sides of the bird and bowl it over on the spot. Nothing to it. But if my shot was a little off center the arrow would knock the bird one way and glance off in the other direction. Then a foot race would ensue between me and the wounded bird.

By shooting a head that grabs, like a Hex Head or Judo, even if my shot wasn’t dead center the bird would be knocked dead on the spot. If the arrow doesn’t glance off, it delivers all its energy into the animal. They’re much more affective and humane, in my opinion.

I’m using carbon arrows with field points and the tiger claw. The tiger claw insert thing alone (without the head) is only $1 (Three Rivers). That is even cheaper than the T nuts I described in another thread. If you want to get even cheaper you can get what are called “Ceiling Buttons” they are used with a screw to hold up old plaster, so you can do a skim coat.

As for durability, I haven’t broken any of the three. Nor have I broken any field points. OK, they all get bent around a bit but they bend back. While hunting rocks isn’t popular around here, we do have a lot of rocks. (They made fences (aka rock walls) out of them before they invented barbed wire. They did that for over 200 years and never ran out of rocks.) I have hit a few, even found a few inside stumps. Never did significant damage to the heads, just shattered the carbon shafts. They frequently ricochet if they hit even a small rock. But I find them lying on the ground nearby. I have not lost a single arrow with any of the three.

I have shot the Judos for several years and the Hammers for the last two years. We have a lot of tough trees and rocks here in the Granite Headed State (aka New Hampshire). I was not surprised to see that your Judo-tipped arrow did not break and the Hammer-tipped one did. This has been my experience on many occasions. The Hammer frequently ricochets off stumps and other targets, which is probably the reason the arrows break right behind the head as often as they do.

As a result, I reserve the Hammer for small game hunting, for which they deliver a devastating blow. The Judos are the superior choice for stumping, IMO.

J.Wesbrock wrote: The only problem I’ve ever had with bullet casings or regular steel blunts is they tend to skip and deflect easily….

By shooting a head that grabs, like a Hex Head or Judo, even if my shot wasn’t dead center the bird would be knocked dead on the spot….

My experience matches your own with regard to glancing shots. Not getting much opportunity to shoot grouse, I have not tried a bullet casing blunt on them. I started using field points and so far that’s worked best. I haven’t had one glance off yet, but I get just a few chances a year so results are limited.

Living in grouse country would be sweet!

When I see a video or read about folks getting all those shots at grouse I just want to drool. I see so few grouse around here anymore I won’t even hunt them. Not that my wing shot ever threatened the population, even with a 20 ga. Just a little jealous! Dc

Steve Graf wrote:

Living in grouse country would be sweet!

I consider it a real treat when I hear one drumming on our WI property. I wish we had more of them around, not to hunt them, but because they’re suck a fun bird to watch.

Grew up with grouse in Upstate NY/VT. Right now there is ONE, yes ONE, grouse in the WMA I frequent, I know his address. It is so bad they stock it with pheasants, mainly to feed the coyotes.

38 speical brass on 500grn 4″ flu flus or whatever comes out of quiver at an opportune time : )

.38/55 brass with about….. some No.6 in epoxy on a 3/8″ ash shaft, has a reassuring thump to it.

Lookout wabbits, Mark.