also the elk have to want to play. If you are hunting alone that in my mind is the toughest game in town. You need to call and move because when that elk comes he will have you pinpointed down to the exact spot. I have at times gave up and headed back to camp and cow calling and all of a sudden you are in that bulls house and he screams and then he just comes like a train and there he is in your lap. The more time spent in the field your odds increase.