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in reply to: String Silencers #27052
The animals used in this experiment were whitetail does (Odocoileus virginianus)
1–2 years of age that had been born and raised domestically. The animals were weighed daily during
testing to help monitor their health.
The deer were tested using a conditioned-suppression avoidance procedure in which a
thirsty animal was trained to maintain mouth contact with a small stainless steel water bowl in
order to receive a steady trickle of water.
An animal avoided the shock by breaking contact with the bowlwhenever it heard
a tone, thereby also indicating that it had detected the tone. Thus, the task resembles the natural
situation in which an animal at a water hole pauses when it senses danger.
The deer learned to enter the sound chamber, drink from the water bowl, and break contact with
the bowl whenever a suprathreshold stimulus was presented.
in reply to: String Silencers #48982Here is a copy of the graph:
H. Heffner, Jr. and H. E. Heffner: JASA Express Letters DOI: 10.1121/1.3284546 Published Online 11 February 2010
in reply to: String Silencers #40127My experiences in the field have been similar to yours Sreve.
in reply to: String Silencers #38553Some other things to ponder…. I’ve been hesitant to post because I am working on writing something or maybe even doing some follow on research here but…
Humans can hear low frequency sounds better than a whitetail.:shock: Amazing but true, I found a research paper on this very topic.
Conversely deer are much better at hearing higher frequencies…even those beyond human hearing.
High frequency sounds are very directional….used by motion detectors. No wonder they can peg you with a crack of a twig so easily..
Low frequency sound is not as directional. No wonder a buck will come in “looking all around” after a low grunt….
A fat long string (stand up bass) is much lower than a thin short string (mandolin).
So my 68 inch longbow with heavy dacron string may actually be harder for a deer to hear than a human can (and it is pretty quiet to me)….and less likely to be pin pointed….even without puff balls….
So the current trend in archery is short bows with ultra skinny strings:oops::!:
in reply to: Beach Bows #61524Dang that is a nice looking bow. I need to do that for my young one!
in reply to: The best hunting stool #35860OK, yes agreed. I usually only spend multi-hourly / all day sits in that magic week in November. Most of my hunting the rest of the year is spent as Hill put it, “Getting after ’em”. An hour here, 45 minutes there as I still hunt….especially at dawn and dusk.
in reply to: The best hunting stool #33175eidsvolling wrote: Gentlemen, if game could be shot here in heavily vegetated and hilly NH while sitting on the ground, I would just carry a rock and not a bow. At an effective visual range of, oh, I dunno, two or three yards, I’d save a whole lot of time and expense just lugging a chunk of granite around. This here ain’t the Lonestar State, and parks are something owned by the state or a municipality, not a term for open expanses among aspens and the like. 😀
And BTW, I do practice sitting on the ground for the possibility of it being handy some day. But the Hammock Seat or a folding stool go in the woods with me.
Sorry folks, this argument does not hold water with me. I am hunting is the thick east here in MD….believe me it is thick! There are some multiflora areas I need to cut my way through. I still have luck hunting from the ground and using my butt and carrying less. There is nothing like a little still hunting and just stopping to sit for a spell without having to unpack something or hook up something or having all that movement. Just trying to give some “another way”…..a simpler way. Freedom for me.
thanks
Greg
in reply to: The Trade-Off #10615Everything in archery is a trade-off. Personally I am primarily a hunter and my 3D shooting is only practice to that end….just like stump shooting. To me I try to stay clear of the extremes in everything. I shoot old fashioned POC arrows and my total arrow weight is about 525 grains out of my 55 pound longbow. I get stable and excellent flight and the animals I shoot end up just as dead. I practice at long ranges and that has helped bring me some luck on some unlikely follow up shots at really long yardages. My opinion is figure out what your primary goal is and shoot the same type of equipment and arrow until it is second nature to you. Over stressing, constantly changing, and analyzing is often unnecessary and can even take away some of the joy….I know it did for me and now I stress a lot less about my equipment and just shoot.
in reply to: Longbow speed #41474That’s a great story! You hit perfect on both of those shots!!!:lol:
in reply to: Longbow speed #28127Just trying to point out that speed is not the be all and end all that some get wrapped up with. If a few fps mattered to me that much, I’d probably be shooting a compound.
My cedars are fast. Fast enough.
in reply to: Longbow speed #18433I don’t much care how fast they go….and the dead animals don’t seem to care either:lol:
in reply to: Re-Thinking old Thoughts on Woodies #30382
From today….snow finally melted (mostly)
in reply to: What wax do you use on your longbow #30338I use Johnson’s Paste Wax.
I know others have recommended Butcher’s Bowling Alley Wax, but I have not tried it yet.
in reply to: Jerry Hill #52026I would love to hear more from Jerry Hill as well! He has a wealth of knowledge and experience that would be great to spread.
I have heard he has some of Mr. Hill’s personal journal material that would be great to get out there for public consumption.
I would really like to see Mr. John Schulz submit some material also, but he has all but retired. JS is the living authority on Mr. Hill since he was trained by Howard and taken under Howard’s wing for many years. I believe Jerry Hill was 14 years old when Mr. Hill passed away.
Still Jerry is a valuable resource for all of us Hill junkies that crave anything more from this legend. I hope he does decide to contribute.
in reply to: Your most memorable misses…. #63702Last year’s buck…. Since committing myself to the Hill style of shooting fluidly I spend significant practice time shooting long distances and speed shooting to become more fluid and unconscious. Nearing the end of the rifle season I still had a yet to hang my buck tag on a deer. A decent sized 8 point for the area I hunt presented itself and I promptly plucked the string and stuck my arrow in the deer’s ham.
The deer bolted on a course around my tree and without thinking there was another arrow on my string from the back quiver and I was nearing full draw as the deer past my stand parallel and running full bore downhill.
I swung with the deer and released and watched my arrow just miss an inch or 2 high but aligned perfectly to the vitals….would have been a great running shot and I darn near scored on it! What the heck there was already an arrow in it right!
Turns out the deer finally stopped downhill from me at 87 steps and my Hail Mary 3rd shot somehow found it’s way through the canopy of branches and killed the deer. 3 shots in a few seconds time.
Lots of luck but I am convinced my practice helped make it all work out/possible. Been totally in on the idea of longbows and back quivers ever since.
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