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in reply to: Turbulators #31795

It is no secret that Mr. Stout doesn’t care for improving to the enth degree, like some of us do. And that is fine.
These types of conversations are great for some of us but certainly DO NOT APPLY to others.

The turbulators I have tried work very well. I use them on all my arrows and most are 4 inch nanners. They do quieten the feathers and that is pretty darn important IMO.
It does reduce drag on the rear of the arrow and allows for a more efficient piece of equipment. And personally that is what I am trying to do.

I use a 1/8″ strip of arrow wrap for my turbulator. I have’nt used anything else so I do not know how it compares to any other material. I am certainly willing to listen so let me know what may be better.

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in reply to: Broadhead of choice let's hear it #28426

I like the Grizzly 200 and gonna try the Abowyer Large Bonehead.

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #21927

Dave,
The tapered edges of the footings are noticed only the first few times drawing the bow. After that I do not notice it at all and it certainly does not affect accuracy.
Since going to this type of Ultra-EFOC setup, I have never been as accurate shooting my bow.

Yes, I saw a picture of King DeVille’s arrow a while back.
It got my thinking about just how lethal I can get an arrow. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to stop the “arrow scientist wannabe” madness.

Richie

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #21018

I make them out of field points. I make them from 160 gr. to 270 gr. They work really well.
One of the best benefits is that the heavier ones allow for 1″ extra draw clearance. That allows me to cut the arrow up to 1 inch shorter than normal giving me a stiffer arrow. That of course allows for supernatural front loading like I like it.
My 978 gr. arrow has a 270 gr. adapter included in the
685-700 grains up front.

Richie

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #20875

These are the pictures of the insert, adapter and footings

The 2117 footing fits flush with the end of the carbon against the bottom of the insert collar. The 2317 fits over the 2117.

This is the 2317 footing extending over the 2117 footing and beyond the insert collar

This is the extended broadhead adapter to fit under the footing

This is where the adapter shank hits the first thread of insert

This is the adapter screwed down tight as the broadhead reaches the tapered end of footing

This is how everything looks under the footing providing strength and a smooth transition

Hopefully living happily ever after.:lol:

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #20871

MontanaFord,
The arrow pictured above is as follows:
Shot from Black Widow PSAX 71@31

Gold Tip Ultralight Entrada 300
262 gr. 31″ from nock groove to cut carbon
210 gr. Grizzly El Grande
200 gr. adapter
100 gr. brass insert
30 gr. 2.5″ 2117 footing
27 gr. 2″ 2317 footing
9 gr. nock (after cutting 1/8″ off male portion)
6 gr. 3 – 4″ nanners
8 gr. glue

852 gr. 34.07% FOC

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #18955

Mike,
Yes those arrows fly very well and hit really hard. The trajectory is only minutely different than the 860ish grains that I also shoot.
What I have found is that when you get over about 30% FOC the arrow is so forgiving that an increase in point weight, trajectory and speed seem to not change arrow flight.

For example, I just made up a 755 gr arrow including a 319 grain point and 31% FOC. I simply unscrewed the 319 point and screwed in a 406 gr. point, increasing FOC to 33%. The arrow flight of the arrow is the same with either point. It does not show weak at all. To my eye, the trajectory is exactly the same for 17ish yards and only slightly and insignificantly differently farther out.

So many reasons to increase FOC as much as you can.

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #17788

MontanaFord,
There is more than one way to measure arrow length for FOC. However, the AMO standard measurement is from nock groove to end of cut shaft, not including insert, adapter, point, etc.

My latest hand loaded arrow for my 71@31 BW is 978 gr and 36.6% FOC.

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in reply to: Banana Cut Feathers…Anyone else love em? #53141

Dabersold,
I get two 4″ or three 3″ out of full feather.
They are actually more like a humpback nanner with the highest point just back of the center but it makes absolutely zero difference. I used to use the big 5.5 inch but the difference a smaller feather makes on FOC is significant…as well as cutting the male portion of the nock a little shorter. But that’s another story.

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in reply to: Banana Cut Feathers…Anyone else love em? #49769

Here’s a few 3″ and 4″ humpback nanners.

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in reply to: Banana Cut Feathers…Anyone else love em? #49460

Yes, I cut mine with scissors. Have been for umpteen years now. And when you use good primary turkey feathers that are pretty stiff they make even less noise. So little that the shooter can’t hear anything except the bow.

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in reply to: Banana Cut Feathers…Anyone else love em? #49345

Nanners are all I use. But they are not loud. They are also not large, long or high. That is why yours are loud.

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in reply to: Heavy Judo points #48231

These adapters also give me up to 1″ of extra draw clearance which enables me to cut arrow shorter than normal. Which then stiffens arrow more creating, for me, 36.6% Ultra EFOC.

The picture is 1/2″ of extra clearance.

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in reply to: Heavy Judo points #47720

Here are my heavy judos. I usually use 400+ gr. for my 71 lbs. but this is what I had available for a picture.

It is a 200 gr. homemade adapter and 140 judo. I make adapters from 160 gr. to 270 gr.

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in reply to: 40 # recurve and Ultra-EFOC arrow search #43853

Katman and Tom,
That is exactly correct. The less weight inside the shaft (which gets the weight farther AWAY from the balance point) the weaker the spine will be AND the higher the FOC will be. But like Katman said, if your arrows are a tad stiff then you should be fine. You just need to fletch them how ya like’em and shoot with broadheads to find out what adjustments you need.

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