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in reply to: Time to increase EFOC #33736

The external footing is basically a piece of aluminum shaft that fits nice and tight forming a sleeve on the end of the arrow flush with the insert. It helps strengthen the end of the shaft as well as add a little weight in the front. Another benefit…the location of the external footing’s weight is better than having the same weight farther up the shaft behind the insert. You have the weight in your arrow…. but FOC is not as good the farther away from the point you put the weight.

Richie

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in reply to: Time to increase EFOC #33725

I first tried to find the lightest gr./in. I could find and I found these Gold Tips for $3.99/ea.

I am using 190 El Grande’s and 125 gr. adapter. I put 15-18 grains of lead pieces in the ferrule of the Grizzly before putting in the adapter making it 333 gr. I then use 100 gr. brass insert and 1- 50 gr. lead bullet shaped worm weight behind the insert. I then use a 2.5 in. piece (30 gr.) of 2216 aluminum for the external footing.
I keep the arrow full length and it flys ridiculously well and fast with 55 lbs. It does not fly like it is 781 grains.
It looks like a 600 grain arrow in flight.

I would hunt anything on the earth with that arrow.

Richie

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in reply to: Time to increase EFOC #33652

I made an arrow for my son’s 55 lb bow.

Gold Tip Ultralight Entrada 400. 7.4gr./in. I think.
513 up front and 781 gr. total weight with 32.7% UEFOC.

That dude flys so stinkin good. It is amazing how well and fast that arrow can fling out of that little semi-recurve no name.

Shooting Ultra EFOC arrows is kind of like Christianity…..You have to experience it to understand it.

Richie

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in reply to: Shoulder Shots 2 #32656

For at least two years now I have asked the other camp that question…Why not look at the facts and prepare for the not-so-perfect shot? They immediately become defensive, which usually means guilt, and twist it around to say nothing.

I have yet to hear any of them say it but I think I know the answer.
The light, fast, flat shooting sexy arrow is just too attractive and they will forever defend it regardless of anything to the contrary.

They just will not admit it. That is hilarious.

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in reply to: Shoulder Shots 2 #32562

I personally think it may be time to re-think what is and what is not an “ethical” shot in bowhunting.

Why is it ethical to purposely shoot a deer with an average caliber rifle in the shoulder bones? My answer is because it is usually pretty affective.

When a bowhunter uses an Ultra 650 arrow (650 gr. and Ultra-EFOC) and aims middle and tight to the shoulder, it will ethically and significantly decrease the chance of a guacamole gut shot.
IF the Ultra 650 arrow hits the shoulder bones why would that be considered “unethical” compared to the rifle shot?

The arrow is going to do as much or more damage to the deer and have more penetration by a larger projectile than the smaller bullet.

Also, if it IS “unethical” to shoot a deer in the shoulder bones with an adequate arrow like the Ultra 650 then why ISN”T it “unethical” to allow an inadequate arrow to be used at all?

Richie

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in reply to: Shoulder Shots 2 #31504

I thought maybe David DeVille would chime in on this thread.
Where you at King?

Richie

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in reply to: Ashby on arrow weight — just posted #16664

It may have been bad shot placement..but a better setup would have turned that ordeal into a dead recovered deer.

That is the whole point behind Dr. Ed’s research.

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in reply to: ignoring facts #14514

In the research he actually used what he called a modified Grizzly where he changed the stock Grizzly to have a slightly better mechanical advantage.
Then Alaska Bowhunting Supply decided to create the Ashby broadhead that is as close as possible to what Dr. Ashby suggests, if I am not mistaken. Hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong.
I am looking forward to getting the new Grizzlys that are 200 gr. glue on with a better edge angle.

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in reply to: ignoring facts #14446

Dabersold,
“I read a few of his reports a long time ago, but at the time the Ashby broadhead was the only single bevel broadhead out there.”

The Grizzly has been out forever…and still is.. even better.
That is what Dr. Ed says is the best. They are about $5 a piece.

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in reply to: ammo selection #13433

Konrad,
I have hand loaded a few arrows lately that are between 860 and 1060 grains and 29% to 31.4% Ultra EFOC. Pulling 71@31 in.
Dave is right..the flight is surprisingly good. For such heavy arrows I am convinced the superb flight is directly due to the FOC being so high.
Don’t be afraid to get all the FOC you can because I don’t know of downside as of yet. It is a win, win, win situation.

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in reply to: Whistling Broadheads #12260

I have tried the snuffers and they whistle as well.
I have never understood how people can shoot vented broadheads.

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in reply to: How much bow and arrow for hogs? #8820

I totally understand how Ultra EFOC arrows are a low poundage bow’s best buddy and that is great insight Dr. Ed is sharing with us. But…

In general, this mindset of “how low can I go?” regarding traditional bowhunting is so irresponsible and ridiculous.

I have seen this on other forums as well and cannot imagine how this came to be. If that is how one thinks then go shoot a training wheel bow and keep it out of the traditional bowhunting arena.

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in reply to: Intentional Shoulder Shot #8800

“There’s nothing wrong with overkill in equipment, but it should never be a substitute for common sense and proper judgement.”

You nor I could have said it any better. I could not agree more.

I think another aspect of common sense is knowing, NOT ignoring and preparing for… the fact that animals do not stay still when shot at and “bad shots” occur due to no fault of our own.

That common sense is just simply ingored by so many and I cannot figure out why.

In one reverant thought there is so much respect offered to the game that is hunted but yet not enough respect with the weapon used.

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in reply to: Intentional Shoulder Shot #8735

“There’s a difference between making a bad shot and taking a bad shot. One is accidental; the other is irresponsible.”

I agree, but…
The light bow/arrow camp is gonna have real problems either way. Problems that most choose to ignore.

The heavy bow/arrow setup is not gonna have problems either way. That.. we all have great confidence in. And great confidence has alot to do with great shot placement among a host of other things.

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in reply to: Performance Report: A successful failure #7663

Regarding bows and arrows in general…There are a pile of people who may believe they may hit tough resistance like bone but they will not admit it. They will deny it, ingore it, not prepare for it and defend their light weight setups.

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