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in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #123297

And also, where exactly in the discussion between the doc and I were we discussing EFOC?  Seems we were discussing/cussing single bevel/double bevel.

[Ralph]

in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #123293

Just like today’s press. On sided view.

I don’t like turnips but that don’t make me an enemy of turnips, just got not use for’em and the 2nd amendment gives the right to say so.

 

[Ralph]

in reply to: What ya got goin'? 2 #122000

I noticed the sheep and goats out back were all bedded down the other day when the wind was gusting to 63 mph.

I watched for awhile and every time one of them got up it was blown back down.

Didn’t figger you’d believe that…..  :>)) But on the treeless plains………..

I figure that’s why bison grew so big.

[Ralph]

in reply to: Wood arrows #121327

The old thing still works, for 28″ arrows, add +5# spine arrows for your bow weight and go from there. For each inch draw more than 28″ add 5# more, less than 28″ decrease arrow spine weight by 5#.

What’s cool is nowadays there’s a bigger variety of glue on point weights to play with.  Heavier point to weaken spine, lighter to increase it.

Back in the day we had 125 gr or 160 grain.  That’s a lot of difference when it comes to woodies. I now seem to be partial to 145 gr. But that was handy. I can use the arrows I had set up for my 50# and 52# bows with my 45# and 47# bows just by changing from 125 gr to 145 gr.  Cheap and easy.

I already had some 145 gr. broadheads that I was fortunate to win by telling a tale on this website once upon a time.

I think wood arrows are easier to tune than carbon but I’ve been shooting them a way lot longer than carbons so maybe that just be me….

An example if one wants 28″ arrows for a, say, 45# bow, order 50-55#.  Then you can use 125 gr points or possibly 145 gr if the arrows are a tad stiff.

I’m talking longbow.  Recurves are generally more center cut than longbows and more center cut can shoot stiffer spines usually.

Wood arrows are not really a game of EFOC.  Wood reacts differently than carbon when it wiggles.  If one is wanting weight, one needs to go for the heavier woods. Some people mess with it (EFOC) but contrary to a lot of thinking………………….. 🙃

I like to shoot 10-11 grains arrow weight per poundage of bow.  Has worked for a way long time..

They, wood arrows, are fun, they work and when you figure it all out you’ll love’em.

My thinkin,

R2

 

 

 

 

[Ralph]

in reply to: What ya got goin'? 2 #121326

I’m standing in the middle of Willow Creek which “flows” through the middle of our archery range.

I dang sure ain’t getting my feet wet.

I’m thinking the drought is seriously back around here.

Was a calm day for a rarety though.

[Ralph]

in reply to: What ya got goin'? 2 #120706

Nice pictures…….

This is a simple picture but it means something.

After all the high winds, dust storms,wildfires and weird up and down temps here in the panhandle, a blue sky and signs of spring are way welcome…

[Ralph]

in reply to: Rhinehart and glue on points. #120547

On this topic, I am trying something that I’ve never worried about before.  I’ve always just heated tips and made sure the glue that existed on the arrow I was refurbishing or replacing a point on was warmed and went on about my rat killing.

With the low heat melt glue I’m stuck with for the time being I am experimenting using my taper tool on an old arrow and getting all the old junk off of it.  So far on the three arrows I did this on and shoot 50-60 times yesterday, all stayed together.

So possibly a compatibility conflict?  Or simply , cleanliness counts??

[Ralph]

in reply to: Pigs and Poison #120325

Really, there’s a whole bunch of us here that feel the same.

Some of the problem is if I have 500 acres and I hunt or let you hunt pigs, the guys around me with their huge properties full of pigs don’t want to see the population reduced because of the dollars that come from pig hunting. A good bit of that is out of state hunters coming in to hunt pigs

If I hear someone bitching about pigs tearing up stuff, I ask if I can hunt, they reply “sure, for $150/200 a day” , it bothers me not to tell them where their pigs can root.

And right poison is poison.

Here in Amarillo a couple of months ago some “controlled” poison/pesticide was spread under and around a families trailer for rodent control.

It started smelling so in attempt to be rid of the odor the dad tried to wash the substance away. He didn’t know, most of us probably wouldn’t, but water turn that stuff into a highly toxic gas.

It killed four of his children and nearly his wife.

Poison is poison and is easily and often abused.

[Ralph]

in reply to: Good, Bad, and Ugly #120131

“Demanding a higher study of habitat , and prey .”

And of ‘self’ perhaps :-))

[Ralph]

in reply to: Rhinehart and glue on points. #119464

I’ve used ferrel-tite for years with very little problems. Occasionally yeah, sometimes because I didn’t do my part well, sometimes some things I shot into I was glad to get my arrow out of it, and I think sometimes maybe an arrow just had a lot of abuse…Sometimes a dead on hit on something harder than I should have been shooting at will pop a point off, perhaps a nock or both  (I’ve never hit a rock that I didn’t intend to hit 😎. Wanna buy a bridge?)

Now if you want my opinion on these newer low temp melt glues and wood arrows, I’m not having much luck.

I popped off a couple of blunts a week or so ago. I refurbished some arrows the other day and thinking that I maybe didn’t do my part right on those blunts, so I made special sure to install the field tips really well.  I do always clean new points inside with alcohol by the way and old points shouldn’t be a problem to reheat, re-glue and install.

Lo and behold, I went out back the next morning to test those arrows, shot 3 into my compressed bale and one point stayed in the straw. Damn….

So, and I’ll probably get lessons on  how to do something I’ve been doing for 40+ years, but I recommend ferrule-tite for wood arrows.

I’ll have to order some now since everything around here caters to carbon shafts, which the low temp glues are working well on by the way.

I don’t use any permanent type glues on arrow points cause my shafts are multipurpose, maybe stumping, maybe 3-D shooting, maybe hunting, whatever.

I’m particular about broadhead alignment also and a permanently glue on point won’t twist and align to good.  .

Just my thinkin,

Ralph

 

 

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[Ralph]

in reply to: What ya got goin'? 2 #117739

Maybe that’s where all the basketball goal nets disappeared to down at the park y’spose?

Kinda takes the thrill outta those ‘nothing but net’ shots.

[Ralph]

in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #115367

Happy trails to you also D. Ed….

I respect the work you’ve done and your input.

Our mutual friend David L told me you’ve been a bit under the weather so best wishes with that.

As with our mutual friend, he and I have agreed to disagree but we do it with respect. We do listen to each other. That’s the first part of coming to an agreement.  Listen and you shall hear whether you agree or not.  I hear what you say. A lot I agree with, some not. But I listen.

I respect your opinions.

Have good day sir and I’ll continue down my path of huntin, stumpin and shootin as long as life allows.

Ralph

[Ralph]

in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #115182

Granted a stone knapped point is a series of single bevels from the knap on one side,  the other side on the next knap and so on. It’s still not flat on one side.  It’s a series of multi single bevels, one side, then the other.

I’m sorry if I’m an unlearned person that doesn’t have a degree and actually think a lot of scientific opinions are , as it turns out, to be the opinion of one person.

And I’m also amazed that we create such a difficulty in enjoying archery, making a simple thing so damned hard. I hate complicating simplicity.

The whole point of the matter is that it ain’t the arrows, it ain’t the bows, it ain’t the equipment, it’s the person using it.

I work on my putting the arrow where it needs to be, not focusing my life on what if’s.

I’ve shot a lot of bows, a lot of arrows, a lot of points, by no means as many animals as some, in my almost 60 years of archery and I’ve found that with a reasonable poundage bow, a reasonable weighted arrow to match the bow, all tuned with a sharp broadhead, all works great.

I guess that’s not scientific but so be it.

And I’m still thinking that was not an appropriate picture to be proving anything about primitive people and their arrow points.  Those are trade points pictured and the Native Americans had no clue about buttons on shirts.

I believe people doing using what suits them but I also think that the option ought to presented here that what has worked and fed the human race for eons be on equal terms.

I also believe that things work.

Dr. Ed you promote single bevel. I promote any will work great. If an arrow goes through and animals vitals it has done the job no matter how many bevels.

So it works for you, scientifically my way works for me unscientifically.

Good day sir and  I’ll be perfectly happy with the venison I’ve eaten that came from time proven equipment that I’ve been happy with for many, many years.

It’s a simple thing complicated by science.

 

 

 

[Ralph]

in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #115129

So did they start using single bevel with the trade points or did they start when they learned how to put buttons on their shirts?

I’m sorry but that picture is posed for the photographer as many were in that day in my opinion.

Research or not, the flint and obsidian arrowhead that I have found and the ones that I’ve made copying their design are double bevel. I have two that are of a granite type stone that are single bevel and I can understand why…they’re “real” rock.

What they used when trade points came about?  I imagine what was easiest for the metal workers/blacksmith folk to produce.

What I get hands on is mostly more believable than what is pictured or often published.

Not saying ugly about anyone but there are those of us that have some common and mechanical sense also.  Just because it is written or photographed doesn’t always make it so.

If I offend I’m sorry but there are those of us that have been around also.

A note… what’s so new and wonderful about single bevel when Grizzly broadheads have been around forever.  They even worked just fine when being of the so called “wrong bevel”…

 

 

[Ralph]

in reply to: Even the Indians Knew … #114777

I don’t wish to argue or dispute the point but I have a whole bunch of found arrowheads that are double bevel, only one or two that are single bevel.’

Did I find the rejects?  :-))

 

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