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in reply to: poor performing EFOC arrow #52318
I agree the title of this post may be misleading. I just thought we need to share all our experiences with these arrow setups. If we only talk about the successes and do not mention the failures, then we are only tooting our own horns.
in reply to: poor performing EFOC arrow #52232lbman77,
When I get home I’ll go through and recalculate my FOC.
in reply to: poor performing EFOC arrow #52228Doc Nock wrote: a 500-600 blood trail and you assume it’s a one lung shot? 500 yard trail reinforces that assumption, but a good blood trail seems a bit suspect to me for that far.
Anytime, I’m taught, that a deer hasn’t lay down within 100 yards of where shot, you need to back off and wait.
subtle hiccups with wild critters can surely cause a loss. Such thick cover could mean you were within FEET of it, and not know it… I’ve found deer I shot in the worst 15′ high cane briars and how they got there, I’ll never know…
At the range you shot, with the equipment you have, there is little to suggest equipment failure…location could be an issue.
Also, without knowing actual #’s, that high FOC, 60# draw and then saying you had a low spine arrow makes me scratch my head. Granted, Preston, I shoot “laminate” bows with center shot, and from what I’ve heard, most self bows are way not center shot by design and require lesser spine arrows to wrap around the riser on release.
Accuracy is way above penetration I would think. If you’re concerned with what your friend said, about not being as accurate with a self bow, does that mean that you are not sure of how accurate YOU are with YOUR bow? That could be critical part of the equation…
Focus on those things that you can control….accuracy, etc. More than once, I’ve short drawn when excited or eased up on back tension when I had to wait on a deer to hit a shooting lane, and got poorer flight. 3D shoots helped me learn that more than anything…
Hey Doc, Thanks for your thoughts. Here are some responses:
I know I hit a lung because of the bubbles in a small pool of blood he coughed up (I’m assuming coughed up, not bled out of entry wound.) But not both lungs, heart, or artery because of how long he lived (+ 3 hours).
You’re right, I should have waited even longer on not seeing him go down right away.
Again, you’re right. The brush is thick enough that I would have had to step on him, and there are certainly places I could have missed in my search. As well as the vultures/crows could have missed.
I agree, I hit a large bone, which really is problem here. I felt good about the shot, distance, just must have been a couple inches off.
I experimented with all spines available in the weight head I wanted, and when I found the right spine, cut it down in 1/8″ increments until the arrows flew straight without feathers. So I think they were matched correctly to the bow. It is very NOT center shot, and the low spine had me thinking the bow is kind of sluggish.
I know how accurate I am, when shooting at a target. And have prescribed a maximum shot range of 12 yards on myself. This guy was well within that range. But I still struggle with buck fever, which (as you know from a previous post) can greatly influence my accuracy. I just can’t figure out how to get over that without shooting in real hunting situations.
I’ve learned previously that I can’t hold back and wait to shoot. I need to aim, draw, release. Which is what I did, but maybe released too early. Not sure about that point Doc.
in reply to: CALIFORNIA DREAMING #52134dwcphoto wrote: Great story, told full of beans. I’d love to have one of those dooood grunt calls myself it calls in bucks like that! Congrats! dwc
problem is, when you use the “Dooood” grunt call in Cali, the wrong kind of hairy animal comes in!:D
in reply to: Garbaging for Bears #52130Archer,
How far do the bears travel to get to the bait sites? And do they usually stay near on bait site, or do they move between multiple baits never really consistently using one?
The reason I ask is, if they are consistently using one or a couple sites and not moving great distances, then they should also have consistent bedding areas. I’d think you could find these bedding areas and then either still hunt or ambush them.
in reply to: New hunter's intro #52124After reading about deer walking with the wind in Boyd Iverson’s “Blacktail Trophy Tactics” I started paying attention. And since, I have seen multiple deer, elk, and bears moving with the wind, or not really into the wind the way I usually thought they would. It was a real eye opener for me.
in reply to: Not sure what to call this thread #51007donthomas wrote: Preston–Remember: Don is always right. No matter what Lori says.
That’s the most dangerous bit of advice I’ve received since getting married!
in reply to: 2014 Hunting #49997Alex,
Congrats!! Is the other antler broken, or not growing, or tiny? Was it a male? My friend killed a deer last year with one spike antler about the size of yours, and the other was a tiny little thorn spike, and the deer was a female.
in reply to: Totally Traditional #49995lwinters,
I know a number of people who hunt with a compound and have hit deer and elk in the scapula without penetrating far enough to even get one lung. The equipment choice is less critical if the projectile does not hit the animal in the right spot.
I’ve been hunting traditional style for 7 years. I’ve killed a couple animals, missed a few, and injured a couple. Its a long journey, and I’m still currently learning how to do it.
Don’t let this stop you from continuing on the traditional path. Better luck next time.
preston
in reply to: A.M or P.M. ground blind or still hunting #48161Hunt both am & pm! Until you’re exhausted, then sleep in and hunt the pm.:D
in reply to: Lost Season, Maybe Worse #48148Man that sucks Don.
The biggest lesson here for me is: Take advantage and enjoy every adventure I have right now, because we never know when it will end.
I hope you’re able to rehabilitate and shoot a bow again.
in reply to: Would you shoot a bedded animal? #45406I agree with everything you guys have said above.
I recently bought South Cox’s DVD “Stalkers in the Backcountry” and he shoots a couple big mule deer in their beds, kills them too.
in reply to: Not sure what to call this thread #45393I saw him this morning!!! Alive and courting a doe!!! If he’s ok enough to breed, then it musn’t be too bad an injury.
in reply to: 2014 Hunting #44659Sweet! Ditto what Jim said about including the boy!
Almost had a shot at a spike this evening. He came running into where I was sitting and stopped broadside, 10 yards, looking away from me, and with 2 sapling oaks blocking his vitals! When he walked out her turned really quick directly away from me and walked off into the swamp. So close.
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