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in reply to: HEAVIER HEADS….?……..NOW WHAT? #52955

Within 25 yds you probably will not see much difference in your arrow flight. Personally, I would opt for the heavier head provided you are getting good arrow flight.

What type of bow are you shooting? Are you using carbons? if you are using carbons you can really load the front up without a problem.

As an example, I’m shooting a 60″ 53@28 Griffin LB. I pull around 28.5. My arrows are CX Terminator Select 45/60 that are cut to 29-3/8, which gives me an arrow that is 29-7/8″ from nock groove to the top of the brass insert. I’m using:

160 gr point
125 gr steel adapter
100 gr brass insert
3-5.25″ Shield Cut feathers

Arrow weight is 678 gr
EFoC is 28%
12.5 GPP

With this arrow set-up, I can drop the point weight from 285 gr (678 gr arrow) to 235 gr (628 gr arrow 26% EFOC, 11.6 GPP) or way down with a 187 gr head (580 gr arrow and around 23-24% EFOC, 10.6 GPP)

The CX Term Selects have a deflection of .397.

Even though I can drop point weight arrow flight is still great, I just get a flatter shooting arrow and have to adjust for the up-down. However, I still maintain a heavy arrow set-up for this bow.

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #51958

David Petersen wrote:

Mike — nice knife in your avatar photo. Is that a Helle? For last year’s elk, last day of the season, I somehow forgot to bring my Helle belt knife — 3″ blade, 6″ overall. So I had to do the entire job with a self-handled 2″ Helle blade, 4″ overall backup. No problem in the doing but I sure had sore muscles in the knife hand and wrist for a few days! dave

Hi Dave

Thanks on the knife! No it is not a Helle. It is a custom job I had made back in 1994. The knifemaker is Letcher (Letcher Knives). Not sure were he is now, but back when I got it he was out of Fort Collins area.

It is a 3.5″ drop point with a maple burl handle. If memory serves me correct it is a SS blade. I’ll post up some photos later this week when I get back in town.

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #39277

Thanks Richie. The Fun Begins!!

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #38716

Richie

Thanks a bunch. That’s some great info. The more I play around with this EFoC the more it surprises me. Heck, just seeing what a carbon shaft can do only just sparks the fire.

BTW, what weight bow are you using those heavyweights? I’m currently working with getting an arrow set-up for my 62# LaClair Grayling Spirit which is a 59 Kodiak copy. I figured around a 725 grainer and thought that was heavy. Whole new league going from E to U!!!

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #38472

sapcut wrote:
The Ultra EFOC has a lot to do with trajectory staying flatter than expected compared to the same weight arrow with average FOC.
There is a difference. It’s a Win Win difference.

So in you testing are you saying that these UFoC arrows fly flatter and do not fall off the table as everyone thinks. Personally, this is my first go round with EFoC 27% arrows. In the past I’ve used heavy Doug Fir shafts and trajectory was what it was. You shoot enough and you could be very accurate out to 40yds. But the key is to shoot those distances so your brain can make the calculation. No different than throwing a baseball from home plate to second base.

Anyway, may have to look more into these UFoC.

Mike

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in reply to: Broadhead of choice let's hear it #38238

20 year old Elburg 160 Grain Grizzly’s on 125 grain steel adapters, 100 grain brass insert attached to a CX Terminator Select shaft. 28% EFoC, 678 grain arrow.

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in reply to: When The Compound Was Born… #38169

My first hunting weight bow was a Bear Polar II compound 50-60#. My dad bought me one and one for himself. This was back in 1976-77. I was like 14 or 15 yrs old. At that time I thought it was the cat’s meow. Used it until, I went to college and didn’t see the light until around 1987. However, I must admit that I always wanted a bow like Fred shot. Those RC were always way to cool.

Bought a Custom Chastain Wapiti TD RC. Been shooting the real stuff since then.

Mike

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in reply to: Follow-up to EFoC and Carbon Arrows #36832

Hey Tom

I totally agree. When I was shooting a fletched FL arrow I could see the tail kick left then straighten. With the shorter fletch shaft I did not see this. I knew I was close with the shorter shaft so I decided to trim the bare shaft down to the two shorter fletched shaft lengths and compare them to the cut bare shaft. The new cut length 29-7/16″ bare shaft shoot a house of fire with no fletching on them. So as you said I’m getting an efficient arrow. Adding fletching to these bare shafts will stiffen the arrow some that is why you want to keep them slightly weak. When working with carbons using the planing method really shows you the best arrow set-up for your bow.

It is amazing how fast the arrow stabilizes and thus puts all the energy into the arrow.

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #18710

snapcut,

Those sure are some thumpers! 36+% FoC!!!!!!!

Mike

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in reply to: More EFoC and Carbon Arrow #18700

Hey Dave as for my shooting I guess an ol hog can stumble upon a truffle now and again. LOL Now that I’ve settled on the point weight I need to step back the distance and see how they fly. However, I wouldn’t be concerned taking any of these set-ups in the woods.

Mike

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in reply to: Doing a Snoopy Dance: 1969 Super Kodiak #16922

Nice find and Bow!

As for the Snoopy Dance you need to watch the old Peanuts cartoons! I really am getting old!!!!!?????

Mike

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in reply to: Multitool Suggestions #12178

The Gerber Suspension is nice. I’ve had two. First one decided to stay in the field and never came home.

Mike

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in reply to: 40 # recurve and Ultra-EFOC arrow search #12158

Fletch some arrows up and see how they work then compare to your bare shafts. Sounds like you got her figured out.

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #11903

Thanks again Dave!

It is fun and surprising as well. These carbons are definitely a different animal. I’ll be loading them up this weekend to see what they will do. I’ll post my findings as soon as I get them. I believe I should have no problem getting 650 and will probably be in that 680 to 700 grain mark.

Thanks

Mike

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in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #11120

Hello David-

Thanks for the reply and really not that much tech stuff. Mainly just weight and FoC. I’m with you on the heavy shafts, I’ve always liked them but as of know really haven’t shot a bow this light 53#. I’ve always shot 60-70# stuff and would always try to get my Doug Firs at a min 10 GPP+. However, at this point I’m maxed out this testing session until I get some 100, 125 adapters and heavier inserts. I will give them a go, nothing is set in stone yet!. After seeing how these shafts fly, I do believe they can handle more weight with no problems and might just fly better.

On another note, wanted to let you know that I’m reading Lost Grizzlies! Great read. Picked up a first ed. Any chance of getting it signed?

Thanks again,

Mike
(Lakewood, CO)

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