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in reply to: rests/plunger #18406
Sotex81,
Forget about a drop-away rest. They may be great with a release, but finger shooters require a bit of side pressure during the shot due to paradox.
The NAP Centerest is good, but for bows such as yours (cut well past center and tapped for a plunger) I prefer a stick-on flipper rest and a plunger. On my Titan riser, I shoot off. T300 rest with a TradTech shorty plunger. Your bow may be cut too far from center for a shorty plunger, in which case an inexpensive Cavalier plunger will do just fine. A stick-on NAP FlipperII rest will work well also.
There are a lot of good options out there. You may want to check out Lancaster Archery online.
in reply to: wild hog's shield #15477tucsonbowhunter wrote: Just proves again a heavy bow shooting light arrows won’t do to much to a big animal
I was thinking it proves how penetration suffers with a poorly tuned arrow. A 2114 is way, WAY underspined for a 70# compound.
in reply to: Broadhead Edge #60364I suspect this is one of those things that makes more of a difference on paper than in the real world. If the broadhead is shaped like a spoon, perhaps it may make a real difference. But a profile like an Ace Standard or zwickey Eskimo? Non-issue.
in reply to: Tradtional Wisdom-Fixing Twisted Recurve Limbs #49115Thanks, Robin. I was going to send it to him when I get home tonight.
in reply to: weight/inserts #19595The main problem you will find is that, while weight tubes do not affect dynamic spine (or affect it very little), adding weight just to the front of an arrow will make the shaft act weaker. Simply adding weight to the front of an well-tuned arrow will result in one that is out of tune, sometimes extremely so.
in reply to: Bow Quivers #52166Dave,
Your story is actually an excellent case for a Great Northern quiver. Extra grippers are around ten dollars, only take three screws and a few seconds to change, and come in different sizes to cover any arrow shaft diameter. When I want to switch from carbons to wood for small game hunting, I just swap out the grippers. No problem.
in reply to: looking for suggestions/help, bowfishing #35924I have to agree about the AMS reel. Mine is about 18 years old now and still works great. Don’t forget to use Safety Slides too.
in reply to: Glue for Broadheads #35633Bohning Ferr-L-Tite has been the standard point adhesive for decades. You can find it at any archery shop for a few dollars.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24838Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Jason, end of the day I think we agree on far more things than we disagree on. 😀
Ed
Indeed.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24808Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: Jason, I’m sorry if that excerpt made your quote appear to mean other than what I took it to mean.
No problem, Ed. Sometimes it’s easy to get signals crossed on venues such as these.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24720Just from curiosity, since you didn’t have the opportunity to examine any of the hit-but-not-recovered animals, how do you know that none of the failures were the result of a lack of penetration or, perhaps, the result of a broadhead skip off a rib’s surface? Can you be certain you had a liver-shot without ever getting to examine the shot?
Good question, and the answer is simple. In each case, the arrows went through the deer and stuck in the ground, so penetration was a moot point. In the case of the liver shot, the deer bolted a few yards and then walked off. I got a very good look at both the entrance and exit wounds, and the arrow and blood trail confirmed what I saw. Unfortunately, there was no chance for a follow up shot, or I’d have taken one.
As far as the other deer, I did get to examine the one that was later killed (with his healed scar across his back), and there are no ribs above the spine off which to skip. 😉
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24661Ed,
Now who’s misunderstanding who?
Please don’t take what I said out of context. As you know (but didn’t copy and paste here) that post of mine was a response to Dave Peterson about penetration, shot angles, and treestands. It was in no way intended as me telling the gentleman who lost his deer that I or anyone else wouldn’t have been as unfortunate as he…and I was very clear about that.
I wasn’t there, so I don’t know exactly what went wrong with his encounter. To his credit, he sought out advice on the matter, for which I highly commend him. If more people did that, we’d probably see fewer lost animals every year.
My only reason for bringing it up on this thread is to interject a little reality into the assumption that every time someone fails to get adequate penetration, using such-n-such arrow would have guaranteed a different outcome.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24584From your prior post it sounds like you (as well as all your hunting mates) have incredible success on whitetails with the arrow setup(s) you currently use. I’m curious as to exactly what your usual arrow setup is, and the bow you use?
I wouldn’t call it incredible, just the expected result of shooting appropriate equipment and using good judgment. For the record, between myself and my core group of hunting partners, we’re also nine-for-nine on black bears, three-for-three on bull moose, and perfect on elk, caribou, and hogs.
My usual arrow setup is a Beman ICS 340 with an aluminum glue-in/glue-on adapter (used to be just called a Flightmate adapter) and a 125-grain head. Over the years, those heads have been Zwickey four-blades, Zephyr four-blades, Woodsmans, and since 2004, Ace Standards. Total arrow weight is 500 grains +/- a few grains. I shoot recurves with poundages in the mid-upper 50s.
As to whether or not we’ve ever lost a hit animal, of course we have. But I can’t recall a single time it was due to lack of penetration.
I personally lost a liver-shot deer eight years ago while hunting a seven-acre woodlot near a residential area. I gave the deer several hours to expire and then followed the trail, which crossed two property lines. I got permission to track across the first, but the landowner of the second refused. As near as I can tell, the deer died in a one-acre thicket of pine trees behind his house. I hope he at least recovered the deer and put it to use.
Aside from that, over the years I’ve had a few deer jump the string, resulting in grazing wounds above the spine. They were non-vital hits, but I still tracked and grid searched just to be sure. One of them was killed two months later on a property across the road.
in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24580Ireland wrote: [quote=J.Wesbrock][quote=Dr. Ed Ashby]From the photos ‘King’ posted it looks like there are some folks shooting arrow setups with which they should also avoid even slightly quartering away shots; which brings us right back to the capabilities of the individual AND the equipment he/she chooses to hunt with dictating what shot angles are acceptable.
Ed
No doubt about that. But playing devil’s advocate for a moment, wasn’t there a thread here recently about a gentleman who shot a slightly quartering-away whitetail with a heavy EFOC arrow tipped with a narrow single-bevel head who hit it in the ribs, didn’t get good penetration and lost his deer?
You asked some good questions of me earlier, which I will answer when I can. Typing long responses on a Blackberry isn’t my strong suit.
Not sure it is the same post, by the deer discussed in “Broadhead Sharpness and Bloodtrails” was recovered after “running” 10 yards. It was shot with an Ashby inspired set-up.Ireland
Different deer. But if I’m not mistaken, that deer was hit high broadside. Nothing heavier than a rib was struck, yet the arrow only achieved a few inches of penetration. It was a good example of a sharp head cutting an artery, but not exactly the kind of penetration I would have expected from that setup.in reply to: Appropriate discussion? #24525Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: From the photos ‘King’ posted it looks like there are some folks shooting arrow setups with which they should also avoid even slightly quartering away shots; which brings us right back to the capabilities of the individual AND the equipment he/she chooses to hunt with dictating what shot angles are acceptable.
Ed
No doubt about that. But playing devil’s advocate for a moment, wasn’t there a thread here recently about a gentleman who shot a slightly quartering-away whitetail with a heavy EFOC arrow tipped with a narrow single-bevel head who hit it in the ribs, didn’t get good penetration and lost his deer?
You asked some good questions of me earlier, which I will answer when I can. Typing long responses on a Blackberry isn’t my strong suit.
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