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in reply to: Curious about numbers of deer most shoot. #44092
The first year I hunted in Wisconsin, you could only get a single deer per weapon. Your back tag was your carcas tag, and when you filled it you were done. Things sure have changed.
Now in Wisconsin, you get one buck per weapon (one archery, one gun) in most of the state. In the CWD Zone, you can take unlimited additional bucks via earn-a-buck. In both the CWD Zone and herd reduction zones, antlerless tags are unlimited (free in the CWD Zone, $2 each in herd reduction zones). Elsewhere in the state, antlerless tags are sold on a cap which varies between zones from highly limited to virtually unlimited. So in a lot of Wisconsin, bowhunters can kill unlimited antlerless deer.
In Illinois, there is a statewide two buck limit. Antlerless archery tags are unlimited. You can kill as many antlerless deer with archery equipment here as you’d like.
in reply to: Barta on techno-BS #39381I guess I’ll go against the grain on this one.
I haven’t watched his show in years because, a) I don’t get that channel anymore (by choice), and b) because after seeing a few of his early episodes I’d had enough. One of the first shows I saw was when he was hunting mule deer does in Colorado. If memory serves, he shot 14 arrows amounting to 12 misses, one gut shot deer he stopped looking for after a few hours, and finally a clean kill. The other show that stood out to me was his caribou hunt. After going on and on about his 20-yard effective range, the rest of the episode was him launching Hail Marys left and right from two to three times that effective range at running animals. Maybe it was how I was raised, but had I pulled that type of thing growing up, my grandfather would have used my bowhunting equipment for campfire kindling…after planting his boot up my backside. And if I did it now, and submitted an article about it to TBM, I would fully expect anything else bearing my name to find a home in their paper shredder.
I do agree with some of the things he says. But I have a difficult time taking an ethics lecture seriously from a guy who has no problem portraying traditional bowhunters as a bunch of bumbling fools who can’t hit what they’re aiming at and have so little disregard for the animals they hunt that they’ll fling arrow after arrow with little hope of a clean kill. If that’s “the Barta way,” I’ll take a pass.
in reply to: Congratulations Dave #38973Congrats, Dave. Well done.
in reply to: Bareshafting pics #32767Troy,
Those tears look great. When I play with paper tuning, which isn’t terribly often anymore, that’s what I want to see from a few feet out to however far I shoot. It looks good.
Ed,
I’ve always been a bit surprised when people talk about having penetration problems on close shots, having never experienced it myself. As a matter of fact, my heaviest whitetail to date (250-plus on the hoof) died from a shot at five yards, downward, quartering away. With a 475-grain carbon and a three-blade head I took a rib off a vertebra, went through both lungs and the heart, took another rib near the sternum, and buried a few inches in the dirt.
I’ve taken quite a few deer with passthroughs in the five-to-ten yard range, including a twelve-pointer slightly smaller in body size than the deer I mentioned above. It was a hard quartering away shot with a 500-grain carbon with a Zwickey Delta four-blade head. The arrow entered in front of the left hip, passed through all the goodies, exited through the right front shoulder, and stuck in an oak tree.
Both my bull moose and my largest hog were right around ten yards away, and both were passthroughs. I’m certainly not discounting anyone’s experiences, but I’ve never seen any problem with penetration on close range shots.
in reply to: Let's see your fall hunting set up! #32613Steve Sr. wrote:
I’ve fallen in love with heavy arrows but will openly admit that a 500 grain arrow properly placed (at about any speed, let alone at yours!) will kill any whitetail that ever walked the earth. (and many other things). I’ve done it myself for decades as have literally thousands of others. Weigh some “old” cedars you come across sometime. (back when no one weighed em!)Super longer range set up there, J! Knowing your expertise in set ups……I’d expect passthroughs from your shots……any day.
God Bless
Steve Sr.It’s really beyond overkill for whitetails. If my paternal grandfather was still alive he’d probably smack me on the head and ask, “Why the heck are you shooting so much poundage?”. Year after year he shot through whitetails with mid-400-grain arrows with three-blade heads out of a bow pulling 42# @ 26″.
My only answer would be that I also like to hunt things bigger than whitetails and want to stay with one setup for everything. If I can get passthroughs on elk and moose (done both), I’m not the least bit concerned about putting an arrow in the dirt on the other side of a whitetail deer.
in reply to: Let's see your fall hunting set up! #31859TradTech Titan Riser with Winex Limbs pulling 56# @ 32″
Great Northern quick detach quiver
Full length Beman ICS Camo Hunter 340s
Four 4″ feathers
25-grain Flightmate adapters
125-grain Ace Standard heads
Total arrow weight: 500 grains
FOC: 13%
Speed: 200 fps +/- 1 fps
PSE / King finger tabin reply to: The anser to all our problems! #28532The fishing industry is full of lures designed to catch more fishermen than fish. The hunting industry is no different. I guess my opinion is that if someone wants to throw away that much money on something so silly, more power to them. I suppose it’s probably no different than people who take their hard-earned money and blow it at a casino, as if Vegas was built on winners.
I view celebrity endorsements much the same way. Anyone who pays even a modicum of attention should figure out rather easily that these folks endorse products because of what the company pays them (or due to the ego boost of being on someone’s “pro staff”), not due to the quality of the item bearing their stamp of approval. While I don’t begrudge those folks making a living, striking while the proverbial iron’s hot (like Michael Jordan who put his name and face on everything back in the late 80s to early 90s), I do feel like I’m being assumed a fool at times. But then again, the capitalist in me says that if someone actually believes the key to killing big bucks is wearing Bone Collector boxer shorts, maybe they deserve to be parted with a few dollars.
In reality, this type of marketing is nothing new to archery or bowhunting. I have a stack of magazines from the 40s-60s stuffed full of advertisements for all sorts of odd things. Those ads contain the same type of celebrity endorsements or sex appeal and hyperbole seen in today’s marketing. The main difference between then and now is the vastness of the modern media. Today we have more magazines, the internet, and a wide selection of cable networks where every goober with a camcorder can promote himself as a hunting celebrity.
in reply to: Early season doe #28516Very nice!
in reply to: pics of todays bareshaft tuning. #28252Troy Breeding wrote: [quote=jaytbuzzard]Troy, when you say stiffer shafts, do you mean the spline number would go up or down? I’m going to start bareshafting some Beman ICS Hunter 400’s. I’ll be shooting about 250 grains up front. Thanks.
The lower the number (i.e. 500, 400, 340, 300) the stiffer the spine. Troy
Just one minor point for the sake of clarification. Beman puts the actual deflection on their shafts (a 500 has a .500 deflection, 400s are .400 and so on). So for Bemans, the lower the number the stiffer that shaft. But this doesn’t hold true for all manufacturers.Gold Tip, for example, uses a different numbering system. Their 3555 shafts spine .500, 5575s are .400, and 7595s are .340. So for Gold Tips, the higher the number the stiffer the shaft. That’s why it’s generally a good idea to check the manufacturer’s online specifications charts for actual deflection when comparing one company’s shafts to another.
in reply to: Shooting Form Question #28244Several years ago I bought one of those how-to shoot VHS tapes (yeah, it was THAT long ago). The instructor talked about the virtues of a proper dead release; said the string hand shouldn’t move from anchor. But when he tried to demonstrate it, he couldn’t keep his hand from coming back slightly on the shot. He’d drop the string, then jam his hand foreward into anchor quickly. I thought it was funny.
As for me, if the act of going from 57# to 0# on my string hand makes it want to come back, I let it happen. I don’t see any reason to fight physics by inducing a controlled collapse. I think some people are of the opinion that a dynamic release means you should look like you’re swatting flies two feet behind your head. Not true. It’s about what direction your hand moves immediately upon release, not the distance of that movement.
in reply to: oct/nov TBM brought tears #27462Elmer,
Thank you for the kind words. I sincerely appreciate it. One of the things that first drew me to reading TBM many years ago was the fact that they publish articles dealing with the emotional side of our pastime, not just the technical aspects. Writing that piece was a way for me to sort out some things I was having a difficult time working through after my father just up and left the party one Friday afternoon.
in reply to: "Blood trailing" light? #22648There was a friend of a friend in deer camp last year who had one of those fancy red/green blood trailing lights. One evening we were tracking a wounded deer — his, if I recall — and he decided everyone should turn off their lights so he could find the deer with his little gizmo. I think it took about ten seconds before someone told him to put that useless thing away.
In the world of dumb hunting products, I’d rank them somewhere around the Deer View Mirror, the Acorn Cruncher, and those little baggies of deer poop that Primos sells.
in reply to: How to ruin a hot spot #21402I’m glad that type of thing is illegal on both IL and WI state lands.
in reply to: Ok, Fine…….bareshafting help. #17653Steeve,
Those are excellent points for discussion. I’ll address them in no particular order.
Yes, you want to use fletched and unfletched arrows that are matched (sans fletching). At first, no, they won’t be tuned. But the difference in point of impact will tell you what an arrow that cannot correct itself in flight (bare shaft) does in comparison to one that can correct itself (fletched shaft). This tells you exactly what the arrow is doing as it leaves the bow, allowing you to know how to make the necessary corrections.
From there you make minor adjustments, shoot, and repeat. When the fletched and bare shafts impact the same place at a reasonable distance, you’re basically tuned (although in the world of competitive shooting, some consider that point only roughly tuned).
No, bareshaft tuning isn’t the only way to skin the proverbial cat. But it is a decent, time-proven way to get the job done.
in reply to: Ok, Fine…….bareshafting help. #17560Steve Sr. wrote: This telling me anything?
Honestly, without a fletched shaft for comparison, not really. Shoot three bare shafts and three fletched shafts at the same distance at the same spot. The difference between where those two groups impact will tell you exactly what’s happening.
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