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in reply to: Hunting Public land #11562
Steve — In that case I may have to come visit this fall! 😆
in reply to: Tip of the week #10629Yes but Larry, you’re not an old dog! You’re an old bull moose! A survivor of Teddy’s party. 😛
in reply to: Layers Everywhere #9012BC — I believe it’s Bowyer’s Bible V2 that talks about lam bows. Someone here please correct me if I’m wrong. Point is, B B pretty much covers everything about everything, in one volume or another. Should be fun. dave
in reply to: Turkeys Soon! #63548Ed Z — it appears you and I have the same “house hubby” fate! Could be a LOT worse! And in fact it has been. 😯 But hey, when they let you disrupt life for a month at a time to indulge our hunting jones — getting up early, coming in late, triple the normal laundry, etc. — well, what’s a few dirty dishes? Happy camper here! 😀 dave
in reply to: Wood arrows and EFOC #63265Kegan — In sum, your choices are WoodyWeights, internal tungsten footing (no other material — steel, copper, lead — is both heavy and strong enough), just gluing on a heavy head (best with footed shafts), or using an external footing in the form of 3″ or so of aluminum shafting glued onto the the wood shaft end. I have tested them all, and all have disadvantages. The cheapest and easiest route to good FoC with woodies is to use a light wood shaft, single tapered, and the heaviest good broadhead you can find (and they’re getting heavier all the time. With perpendicular shots you’re likely OK, but with angled bone impacts there’s a high risk of the shaft breaking right behind the head. The internal tungsten footing added to this will get you into the 20%+ FoC range with less risk of the head breaking, but is expensive and a lot of work. In my backyard tests, shooting at angles into trees, the Woody Weights tended to “break” where glued to the point, and also increased shaft breakage behind the head due not only to the extra head weight but also, I presume, to the longer lever-arm they create. The only “solution” I’ve found so far that I’d hunt elk with is the external footing or “sock.” This has the added advantage of allowing/forcing you to use screw-in heads, which, with glue-in inserts allow a lot more possibilities for EFoC. To date I’ve not been able to get one to break behind the sock. Only drawback here is that right now, so far as I know, you can only get aluminum shaft inserts for aluminum shafts, which Ashby’s testing has shown to be a real weak point … and also such a rig looks rather clunky though it shoots fine. And so it remains for now that if our goal is max FoC, carbon shafts are the way to go — maybe wood-grained carbons? 😛 But keep in mind that most bowhunters, who never hunt anything bigger than whitetails and maybe feral pigs, don’t really need 25+% FoC to get the job done. Although Ashby’s research shows that EFoC adds more to penetration than overall arrow weight, a good heavy wood arrow with the right head will still get the job done on most game. Right now I’m shooting carbons for elk because I want the insurance. I shoot woodies for everything else. I have no doubt that someday soon, some intrepid arrow maker will solve this problem for us. In nature, no rich habitat goes unoccupied for long!
in reply to: Turkeys Soon! #63249Indeed, my wife says I’ve started gobbling in my sleep already!:lol:
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in reply to: Who Shoots Hickory? #61521Sir Steve — I think we had a thread on this recently, but of course I have no memory (a blessing in many ways) and rely on Robin for brain cells. I can say that the first clean pass-through shots I ever experienced on elk, and the first two elk (after killing at least a dozen before that with stickbow) I watched die within a few yards, were with the same hick shaft (recovered and used again) at 743 grains as I recall (2-blade head). These were very skinny shafts, not easy to warp but not easy to straighten. I may still have a couple. But since then I’ve proven to myself that a lighter shaft, 650 or slightly more, with EFoC gets even better penetration without the total weight, thus a bit flatter and faster, etc. So while I once praised hick shafts, in my own little bowhunting world I’ve gone beyond that, seeking 650 or so overall with as little of that as possible in the wood and as much as possible in the broadhead. But then, keep in mind that my whole world is designed around killing elk, and what works for me in that world may not be the best bet for others hunting deer, pigs, etc. But I think it’s safe to suggest that for most purposes hickory is more weight than it pays its own way for. dave
in reply to: Let's build a selfbow #61313Good show, Clay. Thanks for the considerable effort. Don’t think I’d have the nerve to take my first shots with a new bow on video, since that’s when about half of mine blow up! Good luck on the moose draw. dave
in reply to: longbow press? #61305Carl — you might try contacting Bingham’s if nobody here can help. Good luck. d
cfiles — great, and tough, question. When I first started experimenting with carbons I tried hot-melt and even though I used care not to overheat the shaft, I ruined a couple before going to 2-tube epoxy, which of course is mega-permanent. This is a new one on me. What about the rest of you guys looking in on this? For starters I’d contact the supplier, which I’m guessing is ABS, and put the question to them. I hope to learn something here. Thanks for asking. 🙄
in reply to: Favorite wild game recipe #57944Hey this is cool! 8) I’ll be printing these off for my wife … and sharing her’s with you. You know, as a couple, no kids, we can eat on a single elk almost every night for almost a year, and in a growing number of whitetail states with no or large limits, it is entirely possible to be a wild-meat carnivore exclusively (at least at home). So we can never ever have enough great recipes, and the easier the better (I mean, some among us are bachelors!). Good thread. Thanks, dave
in reply to: subscription #57940J — yes indeed I am. But May could be too early, esp. this year with massive snowpack. I would come as late as possible prior to school-out: late May/early June. There’s one big jump in tourism in early June, and a much bigger bump starting July 4. If you’re moteling, no big deal. If you’re camping, you can expect snow in the high country in early May. Hard to beat the stretch from Montrose down to Durango for scenery, ups and down and curves … with fantastic fishing and hunting everywhere you can see. Then to Pagosa Springs, Chama and Taos for more of the same. Ride safe, dave
in reply to: Dynamic spine #57611For starters you might check out Ashby’s latest update to the 2008 studies, just posted to the library a few days ago (at the bottom of the contents list). While not specifically addressing the concept, it contains some nice summaries of how tip weight/FoC reduces spine flexing in flight and on impact thus increasing penetration. The Doc seems to be taking another break but I’d hope before long he’ll be back to address this good question and likely point you elsewhere in his studies. dave
in reply to: efoc vs arrow integrity #57608At this point there’s no getting around the fact that carbon shafts offer all the best stuff for EFoC arrows, including integrity with light shafts. But my experience there is limited, having tested and hunted with only ABS GrizzlyStiks and el cheapo Walmart Carbon Express 45-60s. My only “internal footings” are 100 and 125-grain brass inserts. While I’ve never had a shaft break completely, I’ve had a few of the CE shafts split from the insert back an inch or more. And on last year’s elk, the head came out of the shaft at some point after impact (not that it helped the elk any!). I’m currently playing with footed wood shafts, but disappointed with low FoC and while footings strengthen the shafts behind the head, then tend to break farther back so nothing at all gained. Some look at all this “messing around” with arrow system possibilities as unnecessary confusion, expense and hassle. So far, I find it fun. My 2 cents, dave
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