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in reply to: Sorry….Just a pet peeve of mine. #51891
Well good on all of you clever fellows. But your admirable spelling and grammar detective efforts notwithstanding, I get to keep “the prize,” as the pet peeve I was referring to, and illustrating through inadvertent examples aplenty, is folks like me who post sloppy messages during happy hour. :D:):)8) Of course none of you would do that, I’m sure. :lol::lol: dp
in reply to: Elk hunting tips #50063What T says!!!
in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #50060Michael — I wish more folks would experiment for themselves, rather than just sit back and argue for “what’s always worked for me.” Boards aren’t flesh or bone, but the differences you saw are nonetheless indicative. My own comparative head penetration tests have been in thick dense foam, and with similar results — 2-blades always out-penetrate multi-blades, and single-bevels always outpenetrate double-bevels. Same for EFoC vs. standard, and heavy shafts vs. light. For me at least, these experimental games have translated precisely to the same results on elk, whether I hit bone or not. Your board test would come closer to bone, while my foam is closer to flesh. Photos would be great if you can find them. dave
in reply to: EFoc and Carbon Arrows #50052Michael — I wish I had your memory for details.
Mike — nice knife in your avatar photo. Is that a Helle? For last year’s elk, last day of the season, I somehow forgot to bring my Helle belt knife — 3″ blade, 6″ overall. So I had to do the entire job with a self-handled 2″ Helle blade, 4″ overall backup. No problem in the doing but I sure had sore muscles in the knife hand and wrist for a few days! dave
in reply to: Sorry….Just a pet peeve of mine. #50047George my friend — were you once a gradeschool teacher? :D:P:wink: Brother, if we want to go there, that’s just the beginning of the end. But then, neither am I much of one to pet my peeves in privacy. Those darned peeves seem to crave public attention. 😈
One from my own peeve kennel: “I thought to myself … ” We see this even in the NYT, supposed home of the most elitest of the elitest writers. Yet, as my wife puts it, “Unless we’re clairavouyant, who else can we think to but ourselves?” Just so.
OK, “the prize” goes to whoever first finds their own pet peeve being mal-petted in my above. What’s the prize? I’ll have to think about that, to myself of course. LOL dp (Hinjt: there are at least three.)
in reply to: Elk hunting tips #48919I second Brett, since he seems to be talking only about cow calling. Know how to call — not necessarily like a World Champ caller, but rather know “what you are saying to the elk and when to say it.” Know how to hunt when calling — set-up, elk psychology, etc. Call sparingly. If you want to call, follow Brett’s advice and you’ll be making the best of it. For an example of how cow calling can at times work miracles, see “Elkheart and the Indian Guide,” by Thomas “T” Downing in the current issue of TBM. T is the most successful caller I know and never just wanders around chirping. He knows habitat and he knows elk rut psychology and he knows restraint and patience. And the bull he called in for me was the 21st last season that he called in to 20 yards or less. But, returning to my original statements about calling, of those 21 bulls, less than a handful offered high-odds killing shots. To get a bull to answer a bugle is NOT the same as killing a bull. To lure a bull in to cow calls (often as not they’ll not bugle when coming) is NOT to assure a solid shot set-up. And once you’ve spooked those animals, you won’t be seeing or hearing them again. Life is complicated! :lol::wink: dp
in reply to: Glove of choice help !!!! #48907Jarhead — Gloves vs. tabs is another ongoing discussion. Since you want to order a glove I suggest that you check out Alaska Bowhunting Supply’s current “fire sale” including some screaming deals on shooting gloves. I personally prefer soft, like deerskin, with synthetic-reinforced finger tips, as leather when wet is like shoot with a sponge. Nylon tips are common and work well. “Snookum” tips offer the best release I’ve experienced, but wear out way too fast. On size, most gloves will stretch a fair amount with use. I shoot large, but can make do with medium. If you need xtra large, send a PM to Patrick who may be able to help you out. When it’s cold I cut the finger tips out of my shooting-hand glove. When it’s warm I wear the glove over a very thin pair of mesh camo gloves. My feeling about so many of our “family arguments” about what is “best” is that we all should try as much as possible for ourselves. You tried a tab and now want to try a glove. Others go the other way. Get yourself a good glove and then you’ll know what’s best for you, glove or tab. Semper Fi, dave
in reply to: HEAVIER HEADS….? #48642Msarcher -= Ashby is adament about never using aluminum adaptors, and they provide a very weak link in the system with a high failure rate. You can get steel adaptors down to 75 grains. In all such cases my advice is to spend the small amount of money involved in buying an assortment of heavier target points — several suppliers offer “sample sets” of one or two points in a variety of weights — same with inserts, adapters, etc. and find out the max weight your rig can shoot accurately, then back off to where you want to be. Then equate that weight with a broadhead to make sure it performs the same as field points. It’s so very cheap and easy to play with these things, I believe we all should do it as part of our annual hunting preparation. Each time I build a new dozen arrows, whether wood or carbon, I go through this procedure. dp
in reply to: Elk hunting tips #48636Although bugling can elicit bulls to bugle, greatly increasing the excitement and hope of a hunt,the number of elk actually killed by bowhunters that way, opposed to the number spooked off, is minuscule. Especially true if the caller is hunting alone. And you get a few guys out there running around bugling and barking, within just one day most of the real elk will have left for quieter country or go to bugling only at night. I call it bugle pollution and it’s the single best piece of advice I can give to all but a small handful of expert hunters: forget the calling and hunt elk much as you would whitetails — spot and stalk, move in silently when they bugle, ambush wallows, waterholes and other high-use areas. Make it your top priority to not let them know you’re even there. Unlike rifle hunters we need relaxed elk following their normal routines for best success. Sure, people kill elk by calling. But people spoil more hunts by calling, by far. Cow calling can work in expert hands but neither is it a panacea. Do not walk around blowing on a cow call. Go in quite. Study the habitat and elk use patterns. Be the invisible visitor and stay at it and you will have your chance. dp
in reply to: Bugling in June #47881T — I sent my response, above, to Dr. Geist (for those who don’t know him, he’s widely considered the leading expert on the deer of the world, esp. elk) and he said … “I have nothing to add. Great reply!”
But then, the salmon are running on Vancouver Island where he lives, and he’s distracted. Val always has something interesting to add. 😀 dp
in reply to: HEAVIER HEADS….? #47552There are two basic elements that control how easily, or if, a tip will curl and/or break: One is steel hardness and I personally won’t shoot anything under Rockwell 50. The second does have to do with weight, if only indirectly, and that is steel thickness at the tip. You can only have so much steel and hold the weight to 125. Thus, the heavier the head, the thicker the steel can be and usually is at the tip, especially if the head is long and narrow, as per Dr. Ashby’s advice. While Eclipse steel is usually in the high 40s (unless Blake has upped it since I visited his one-man factory), their two-blades are reinforced at the tip and also have a rather wide tip, which provides more strength. I also love STOS heads and have killed several elk with the 160 without ever a failure. dp
in reply to: Bugling in June #46392Unless you actually see a bull bugling in summer, it’s most likely cows. As soon as the cow/calf herds form after the late May-early June calving period I start seeing and hearing this most every year. It’s usually a “boss” cow that’s actually herding the others in one way or another, taking on the roll of a rutting bull. I’ve never heard a cow chuckle but have many times heard and seen them do a straight, high, 2- or 3-note basic bugle. In situations with really big herds, as T has noted, you can get all sorts of excited vocalizations going on, all year. In Yellowstone’s Pelican Valley I’ve watched and listened for hours as herds in the 200-animal range do their thing. The only bulls I’ve seen bugle in summer have been spikes and generally the cows do a better job of it. I talk with Val on a regular basis and will run this past him for more detail. For instance, perhaps lead cows bugle in summer because they enjoy a mild burst of post-natal testosterone production. That’s pure speculation of course. Thing is, cows bugle in summer, that’s well known. There must be a physical, likely hormonal reason for it. my2scents dp
in reply to: Carbon vs Wood which is tougher #46387Limblover said: “Fletching is therapeutic for me. I LOVE doing it.” Me too. That’s one reason I’ve never owned more than a single fletching jib — it allows me to string out the therapy. If folks found out how easy and enjoyable it is to glue feathers to wood, and how cheap and esay it is to get set up with a dip tube, we’d all be doing it. You don’t need a workshop or special tools, and it gives us a “personal investment” in our gear. Even better. That said, I sure love the high art of arrow masters like Fletcher. dp
in reply to: Hunting Arrows for 2010 #46375Hi Rick — always good to see you here informing these arrow threads. Last time we talked you were looking at gearing up to make your lead-footed shafts commercially available. I haven’t checked your website for a while (been doing cabin improvements 12×7 this summer). Are we there yet? For elk, if I could get 21% foc in a 650+ shaft at 30″ I’d be a happy camper and hang up the carbons. As you recall I tried titanium and found it too expensive, and the little drilling jigs that 3Rivers and others sell simply do not work to cent the wire hole. So I had to give that one up. Hoping you can make it work for us. Dve
Well stated, Bert. While others may differ with your “extreme” position on the proper hunter-prey relationship and respect, nobody can doubt your sincerity and its value. I too have been called “extreme” for my “voodoo” views on hunting and strong affection for the game, and I wear the tag with pride, as the opposite is pathetic and disgusting. Welcome back. dp
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