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in reply to: most challenging animal to hunt? #29781

Try an eastern NC whitetail on public ground – bait is illegal, no true definined, (ag fields, acorn trees ect…)food source, hounds pushing them day in and out, and some of the thickest country this side of Cambodia.

You can go a season and not lay eyes on one still setting – probably see one being pushed by hounds.

Would enjoy being able to “see” further than 20-25 yards.

Jason

Nothing against hounds either, I quite enjoy listening to them run making a good race. They do make for some pure nocturnal whitetails though that wont think about leaving thick cover during daylight hours. I do hope those guys never lose their right to run em though.

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in reply to: Needless to say, the arrow did not penetrate #18102

Yeah, WTs are tough, people just do not realize. I want an arrow that will go through em lengthwise if need be!!

Before I get to beat up for that comment I only take broadside or quartering away. But if the worse happens!

J

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in reply to: December 24th, 1958 #16628

Hey Doc – getting old os still better than the alternative! 😆

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in reply to: Predators and A Hunter's Conscience #15977

Dave I been wanting to read a couple your books (Ghost Grizzlies and Heartsblood) maybe when they arrive they will change my view alittle!?

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in reply to: December 24th, 1958 #15965

I wasn’t born for another 15 yrs! LOL — your old Doc!

Merry Christmas to everyone here, remember the men and women who will spend Christmas in harms way, cold in a hole.

J

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in reply to: Predators and A Hunter's Conscience #15952

I think man goes wrong in trying to apply human emotions onto an animal. While I know that humans are animals no better no worse; we should not place human emotions onto a critter. We do not have yotes in suburbia but they have just arrived onto our hunting lands.
I also think that some folks will not kill certain critters. I really do not think I would care to kill a Mt. Lion? I would love to be in on the hunt as they are hunted with hounds and I love to hear hounds on a chase, (pure music right there), but to kill a lion in a tree?? for me? too cornered. Not a thing against hunting them and they should be hunted but I do not care to drop the string on one.
Yotes worry me as I like to hunt with my lab most of the time, even bowhunting. I am not worried abou them attacking me but they will try my dog. I will trap them this yr as I love to trap as well and will also shoot em when given the chance. While Mac is more than capable of handling a yote one on one when I get pics of them on a trail cam there are always more than one yote. When yotes smell me around or where i have been I want them to know/relate that a tougher/meaner predator is close by.

J

Anyone ever seen they film on wolves in Yellowstone where they show a coyote get killed by a pack of wolves?? that was gruesome, but in the end nature. Wolves kill off yotes (competition) as yotes kill foxes (competition). Wolves kill rival pack members if given chance (competition). Just the way it is. We look at killing as a very hard thing (not sure the right word? spiritual maybe?) for them it is life and a daily thing. Again, just the way it is.

Not thinking of eradicating them as they are needed, but I want them to have a healthy fear of human and things related to human.

Long post – but never have been to good at explaining myself?:?

J again

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in reply to: Whitetail leg bone impact #50796

Yeah, what i am saying is that IS an old style 160; not a new style 160 El Grande. New styles would not have the overlap design, they go out to the edge (no lip). That is all, great Bhead.

J

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in reply to: Needless to say, the arrow did not penetrate #50105

I want to spend this next yr getting my grains up on my arrows – will have to go tot 340 axis to do so just why I didn’t carry it so far this yr. It is interesting to me that you mention Georgia whitetails as stopping arrows on bones?
I had this happen to me yrs ago – though I later found that one deer survived my hit and unsure about the other. But it gets me when someone states that whitails are like butter and anything goes through em.

It is really these two deer that drive me to want a proper set up with a heavy arrow.

J

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in reply to: Needless to say, the arrow did not penetrate #50102

never of the mind -:lol:

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in reply to: Whitetail leg bone impact #50093

Odin214 wrote: The colors of the broadheads may have changed. As I recall these were purchased in early 2008. After rebeveling, the heads typically weigh just under 160 grains. They have 100 grain steel adaptors and are assembled with JB Weld. Blackhawk Vapor 4000s with 100 grain brass inserts put the finished arrow just over 650 grains. My LH Sovereign Archery Ballistic Recurve draws about 50 pounds at my 27ish draw length. This combo has produced excellent penetration but I have wondered about the durability of the broadhead on a heavy bone hit. This experience sure was impressive. Thank you Dr. Ashby for all of the insight and Jason for spreading the word.

Got to be an old style 160, the edge on the rear of the blade is the old style. The thickness tapers out when it gets to the back of the blades (no tsure how to explain) but that is my favorites of the series. Orange 160s – though no wI have new styles and they are that much better and just as bombproof. Surprised the tip gave a little – I have KINDA missed my target and took bricks out without damage to the heads at all.

J

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in reply to: Ever find yourself not watching the bowhunting shows? #32336

Yeah I find myself not wanting to watch “horn porn” anymore – the industry that those shows support is fine I have nothing against it – BUT do not try to tell me this is what hunting is. Maybe on a strictly managed private ranch but not out in the real world.
I do like Fred Eichler’s show – he does well even though he may pick up a techno gadget every once in a while – that is it. Other than that the DVDs made by Bill Langer (hope that is right!) I only have seen one of them and if the others are similar then they are top notch. Nothing fancy – all traditional and made the best they can usually filming themselves and they shoot little ones as well as a couple decent ones.

J

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in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #31700

Mr. Stout’s comment on diminishing returns is very true as through my messin with setup i.e… ruining some arras! I found that trajectory can get to be too much for my likeing and I realize I may have pushed a little too far. On the other hand I am still messing and looking for that exact point of diminishing returns threshhold.
At this time I am going to have to go from a 400 axis to a 340 – with a little more spine I can do a little more up front and still keep the trajectory I am comfortable with!> HAH 😆
No I am not a speed demon or I would have one of those techno gadgets; but I like pushing out to 25 yards (my max on critters even when I shot a techno gadget) and doing so with out having to aim at passing jets to hit a target in my back yard. 😉

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in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #30637

I think what your referring too (could be wrong) is the twist a single bevel will do as it passes through. A double bevel will not do this. This rotating motion implies force on bone when it strikes it and helps the bhd split or bust the bone,(know the doc has good pics of this) instead of just trying to slice through as a double bevel has to do.

Also (my interest) is that the rotating motion causes more tissue damage even with no bone strike. I made this point on another forum (NOT bringing the arguement here) and was asked why this would be a plus? as little broadside whitetails are not very thick. Even little whitatails I shoot are at least 8 inches thick or thicker and a quartering shot is a naturally longer cut, so I do believe this rotating motion is a big plus.

Anyway I think this is what you were talking about? I can go see if I remember which study this info was in. Mr. Peterson probably remembers which one it was by heart.

Jason

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in reply to: ABS Ashby Broadhead #29752

Grizzlies have been killed with a .22 – not to mean I will hunt them with one.

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in reply to: 2 Blade double bevel and 3 blade vs single bevel #29726

Good thread, I like the Ashby reports and what they teach – with that being said for the most part I am shooting 100lb whitetails. I still use some of if not all of his research in building arrows. I even have some of the Ashby heads to use this yr. Before this I mainly used 3 bladed jobbers – and still will but behind that 3 bladed jobber is an 100 grain steel adapter along with an internal footing as Ashby recommends.
Guess my thoughts on the ashby research is to use parts and pieces to optimize your arrow no matter if you tip it with whatever single or double bevel, 2, 3 or 4 bladed. I get better flight charachteristics as well as an arrow that hits like a freight train. Seen many 100lb whitetails that ran off without an exit wound and I WANT that exit wound every time.
Oh yeah that 3 bladed jobber this yr will be single bevel! HAH!

Jason

I think I could take out a ball joint (100lb whitetail) with my setup now and the Ashby head. Really do not want to find out though!!!!:wink:

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