[Hiram]

in reply to: Stacking fixes? #43816

David is right!!!!

The Martin straight longbow is a good one but,,,,is not what you need,,probably?

Invest in a Martin Savanah or Viper,,,Black Widow etc. Straight D Bows usually draw pretty smooth at longer draw weights. maybe your overbowed???:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: Apache or medatranian #36489

For close up Hunting (0-35 yds) Three under is the best route by far! Why you ask?? It usually (with a decent release) exerts a more even pressure on the limbs as the Bow is drawn and held at anchor. Not saying that positive tillered Bows with the spit finger is not, just saying that for most, the three under grasp on the string has advantages. One of these is that once you give it some time and get used to it, you can reduce the amount of pressure you have on the string by relaxing the bottom finger on the string at full draw. This provides less inputs on the string and reduces the amount of paradox effect the release has on the arrow. This can also be done with a split fingered release but has less the amount of leverage as the three under grasp provides due to the index finger being a distance above the middle finger at full draw.

Now the real reason I shoot three under! lol

I hunt from a treestand most of the time here in Arkansas for Deer. This elevated position automatically causes and angle compensation problem for me from high to low. I shot under a nice Buck three years ago with split fingered release and realized that I had not made the proper allowance for the angle because my “Gap” is much more in the Vertical shooting split fingered. The Gap is the distance between the arrow as it positioned on the Bow, and the distance between my anchor point and my eyes as it see’s the arrow point and it’s reletive position on the string. I made up my mind right then to shoot three under from that day forward and have reaped the rewaard of less gap as a result the three under grasp moving the arrow closer to my eye,, The rear sight. This moved my Point of aim from 55 yards to 32. Even with a 45 pound Bow and 450 grain arrows, my POA is still around 28 yards if I just put the point right on the spot to hit! Heavier poundage Bows will shoot a flatter trajectory and make it closer to a straight line. Simply by staying with your current anchor point and changing to three under, you may well have less elevation compensation and hit closer to where your pointing than with split finger. My Gap reduction or gain either moving up or down just one finger at my anchor point will move the arrow’s impact about 10-12 yards. Hope I have helped!!!:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: The bug has me so I started a new bow (finally finished) #36456

WildmanSC wrote: [quote=Troy Breeding]Bill,

I’ve built several recurves with different designs. This design is the best so far. Smooth draw, great cast, and looks.

I’ve owned and shot a number of different bows over my life time and this design still has me saying ahhhhhhh.

Troy

Troy,

Mine has me saying “Ahhhhhhhh me, Troy outdid himself on this one!” I like everything about the bow. I normally don’t like a light wood on either the riser or the limbs. But, the epoxy put a nice amber color on the Birdseye Maple and the Bubinga looks so much like Cocobolo with all of the grain! I LOVE it!!

Once again, THANKS!!!!! :D:D

Bill

Oh but Troy!! The steeper or less angle will stack later in the draw cycle!!! Your design must be right where it needs to be unless you have really short draw length??

Longer draw lengths need to have more angle!!!! Less stack as you reach your Anchor point. I much prefer the taller brace height and smoother draw over 5-8 fps that 2 degrees may gain in speed. By the way,,,, Beautuful Bow and thank you for sharing it!!

[Hiram]

in reply to: Changes to bow from shooting three under #36448

bruc wrote: I have recently switched to shooting “three under”. So far I’m liking the results.

I was wondering what difference it makes to my bow when shooting? I have not noticed a difference in arrow flight. I have noticed a little bit more bow noise and also that there seems to be a little more arrow contact with the outer edge of my bow shelf. The bow is a custom recurve, and was built to accomodate split finger shooting.

Any comments greatly appreciated . Bruce

The reason your Bow is noisy? When you change your grasp on the string by going from split to three under, you have changed the dynamic balance and timing of the limbs. With Bows tillered for split finger shooting, the Bowyer has timed the limbs to make up for the higher finger placement on the string. The top limb usually is tillered “Positive” by being a little weaker to compensate for the split draw upon the string. Most three under shooters require or prefer a Bow tillered to “Zero tiller” to balance up the limbs for the more even (closer to the center of the limbs balance point via the string)dynamic timing of the limbs as the arrow is shot. The noise your getting is from the inbalance your getting from a postive tillered Bow. I have always been able to tune a positive tillered Bow to be quiet and perform as normal by shooting a bare shaft per tuning for tens (google search) and adjusting the nocking point upward to put a little more pressure on the top limb. There is a downside to this! By moving your nock point up, you cause the arrow to shoot lower than normal in some set-ups,,,which moves your point of impact your used to. If it is “Pet Bow”??? just tune it and get used to the new POA,, if not,, have one made tillered even.:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: Nugent, redux #26372

Thanks Dave!8) Ted is too much into crossguns and rash statements to represent me on anything! Do NOT!!!!!Want him to represent me on Bow Hunting in any form or fashion!! 😀

[Hiram]

in reply to: Apache or medatranian #55998

Three under is my preferred method to shoot a Bow.

I switched from split finger several years to reduce my gap distance at close and have not looked back! I keep my Bows set at zero tiller to enhance the tune of my 3/8’s above nock sets.

Another good tip for good flight is to have a nock both above and below to keep the arrow from slipping downward when shot.:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: Evening dog walk #53293

Have a great and safe trip Dave!!!! Enjoy the difference in scenery myself when I travel. I like Home but getting away really doe’s help clear my nostrils some! lol

Great info fellas! I used to go high first in archery season Colorado to see where the sheep were before I wasted my Gator juice powder walking into a herd of sheep and finding no Elk.

Bad for this up on the mountain Dave! YOU KNOW,,Tank creek and Stag Mesa,,Grasshopper etc. I now just stop in Durango DOW and ask Game Officers till one can tell “NO SHEEP” BEFORE I go there. Hope you arrowed your spring Gobbler Dave,,,safe trip home!:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: Evening dog walk #51443

Dave, ever seen Elk in the same pasture with Sheep? Or, shall I call them the lawn mowers that eat their grass? lol 🙂

[Hiram]

in reply to: Ticks #41232

Amen!:D

[Hiram]

in reply to: Ticks #40240

If I could change one thing about Arkansas besides hungry children?? No ticks!!!!!!!!! lol:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: Dan Quillian Longhunter #40206

I would ask what I paid for it years ago and then go from there by interest and inquiries. Dan Quillian also had Jeffrey Bow company in South Carolina make a really fine recurve too!:)

[Hiram]

in reply to: ABOUT PBS #40169

donthomas wrote: Dave raises a significant concern that I’ve heard before from other excellent bowhunters. While the name makes sense–look up the dictionary definition of “professional”– it still causes lots of confusion. I’ll suggest that the matter be reviewed. Of course, if a change is made there would be no more “PBS”. Then what? The “OFBS” (Old Farts Bowhunting Society)? Don

Old Farts?? Then I’m a Pro at it!!!:)

Is 55 Old? I’m feeling pretty young,,,,still!! Quit the Snuff habit lately! I’m thinking that anything from Cigerettes to Spitting Baccy is bad and might cut me short a few years of “Woods and Wonder” so I AMMMMMM done with it!!!:)

Would NOT trade all the Snuff and Baccy in the world for ONE GOOD DAY,,, In the San Juans!! Even if, I heard Fools and Monkey Boys bugling just across the road! lol

[Hiram]

in reply to: Hunting Bigfoot in Texas #30320

Nice one Dave!!!!:D Yep,,those Cats can be on you before you know it! As mean as a small housecat can be, just think what a 150+ wild one could do!:D

[Hiram]

in reply to: Hunting Bigfoot in Texas #29330

Hunted solo in the San Juans for years. Coming out late with a flashlight gets more spooky every year! It’s not the Bears I fear,, it’s the Kitties!! Deep in the timber,,far from the road, all by yourself, makes you know how vulnerable you are. Hope I never run into Bigfoot!!!!!!!:D

[Hiram]

in reply to: How many bows do you have? #28954

I have only three!! I never shoot the third one. I, like Dave, have found that changing Bows is counter productive!I shoot best when I shoot the same Bow type and poundage. I keep my gaps the same, use the same arrows, and feel the Bow the same each day!:)

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